On Friday, February 11, 2011, Kevin Hilman wrote: > "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@xxxxxxx> writes: > > > On Monday, January 31, 2011, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > >> On Monday, January 31, 2011, Alan Stern wrote: > >> > On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Kevin Hilman wrote: > >> > > >> > > I understand how this works, but frankly I'm still a bit fuzzy on why. > >> > > > >> > > I guess I'm still missing a good understanding of what "interfering with a > >> > > system power transition" means, and why a runtime suspend qualifies as > >> > > interfering but not a runtime resume. > >> > > >> > These are good questions. Rafael implemented this design originally; > >> > my contribution was only to warn him of the potential for problems. > >> > Therefore he should explain the rationale for the design. > >> > >> The reason why runtime resume is allowed during system power transitions is > >> because in some cases during system suspend we simply have to resume devices > >> that were previously runtime-suspended (for example, the PCI bus type does > >> that). > >> > >> The reason why runtime suspend is not allowed during system power transitions > >> if the following race: > >> > >> - A device has been suspended via a system suspend callback. > >> - The runtime PM framework executes a (scheduled) suspend on that device, > >> not knowing that it's already been suspended, which potentially results in > >> accessing the device's registers in a low-power state. > >> > >> Now, it can be avoided if every driver does the right thing and checks whether > >> the device is already suspended in its runtime suspend callback, but that would > >> kind of defeat the purpose of the runtime PM framework, at least partially. > > > > In fact, I've just realized that the above race cannot really occur, because > > pm_wq is freezable, so I'm proposing the following change. > > > > Of course, it still doesn't prevent user space from disabling the runtime PM > > framework's helpers via /sys/devices/.../power/control. > > > > Thanks, > > Rafael > > > > > > --- > > From: Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@xxxxxxx> > > Subject: PM: Allow pm_runtime_suspend() to succeed during system suspend > > > > The dpm_prepare() function increments the runtime PM reference > > counters of all devices to prevent pm_runtime_suspend() from > > executing subsystem-level callbacks. However, this was supposed to > > guard against a specific race condition that cannot happen, because > > the power management workqueue is freezable, so pm_runtime_suspend() > > can only be called synchronously during system suspend and we can > > rely on subsystems and device drivers to avoid doing that > > unnecessarily. > > > > Make dpm_prepare() drop the runtime PM reference to each device > > after making sure that runtime resume is not pending for it. > > > > Signed-off-by: Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@xxxxxxx> > > --- > > Yes! > > Acked-by: Kevin Hilman <khilman@xxxxxx> Well, I hope you realize that it doesn't help you a lot? Rafael _______________________________________________ linux-pm mailing list linux-pm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-pm
