This is a bit off the topic of Android flamage, but I thought it would be worth highlighting an example where the current frameworks may still have a deficiency... one that likewise relates to needing to block entry ot a system suspend state, but in this case user-space isn't very involved (just drivers coping with hardware). The example I wanted to re-post (I've done so in the past) is one where drivers ouldn't really do the right thing, since driver.suspend() wasn't quite powerful enough as a programming interface. The example works with USB on many ARM SoCs, and similar non-USB examples aren't rare. - Want to enter a system suspend state, with some USB wakeup sources. USB peripheral waken up by the host, or vice versa. NOTE ASSUMPTION: there are multiple suspend states supported by the hardware, significantly different in hardware configuration Linux should be able to use more than one such state... (if only because their power savings differ.) This can mean driver-specific knowledge about those various states. - The wakeup requires a particular clock to be active, so the USB controller can detect that the wakeup should trigger, then issue the right signals triggering the non-USB parts of the system. Problem: how does the device driver suspend() method block entry to a suspend state when it can't ensure that clock is going to be active. Magic return code? There are other issues here too. (Is the target system suspend state one of the ones which doesn't allow that clock to be active? SoC-specific calls might suffice for this issue. A number of years ago, this problem was insoluble with the then-current Linux PM and clock frameworks. I've been away from this issue for quite a while now, but don't recall seeing its sub-problems get solved ... If they're now solved, I'll be glad. (I know Kevin's recent OMAP stuff addresses similar issues, but It's OMAP-specific...) After all these thousands and thousands of emails... I'm not sure how much forward motion has happened. Do we at least have a clean way that a driver can reject a system suspend? I've lost track of many issues, but maybe this could be phrased as a QOS constraint: the current config of driver X needs clock Y active to enter the target system suspend state, driver's suspend() method reports as much. Then the entry to that system state gets blocked if the clock isn't enabled. (That QOS constraint should be removed when that driver no longer needs to issue wakeups; that's not quite the same as "removed by driver.resume(). _______________________________________________ linux-pm mailing list linux-pm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-pm