--- On Tue, 6/1/10, James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > As long as you can set a wakeup timer, an S state is just a C state with > > side effects. I've seen similar statements on this endless thread before; they're not quite true... > > The significant one is that entering an > > S state stops the process scheduler and > > any in-kernel timers. There's a structural difference too, related to peripheral device activity and power states. Specifically, peripherals can be active in C states (erforming I/O, maybe with DMA etc) and will in general not be in lowest power states (PCI etc). Whereas entry to ACPI S-states involves calling the AML code to put those peripherals into lowest power modes ... ones they can't in general enter at run time. (An additional task of that bytecode is to activate any wakeup logic, which again is not generally functional in except in S-states). The point being perhaps more that ACPI doesn't map well to the more power-efficient architectures (often built on ARM) ... hardware vendors provide all kinds of PM hooks, and Linux can choose between them so it's more power-miserly than if it tried to emulate an ACPI based platform. I've seen some Linux systems which put DRAM into self-refresh during certain idle modes, for example, not just during suspend-to-RAM, if it's known that no DMA is active. (Why not save that power if it's safe?) Likewise, disable some oscillators and PLLs if they're not needed (the clock API allows that to be done regardless of "C-states" etc). The notion of "suspend" gets introduced on such systems primarily to match the ACPI-ish models that exist ... rather than because they necessarily make good matches for the hardware. Which has left a puzzle: how and why to use such "suspend" models? Maybe that's underlying some of the pushback for the notion of automagic entry to "suspend" states. - Dave _______________________________________________ linux-pm mailing list linux-pm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-pm
