On Tuesday 12 January 2010, Dave Airlie wrote: > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Monday 11 January 2010, Julien Cristau wrote: > >> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 22:04:36 +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > >> > >> > Hmm, are you trying to say radeon is better at that? > >> > > >> > My experience is quite the opposite to be honest. > >> > > >> radeon kms is in staging, doesn't pretend to be stable and force all > >> users to the experimental paths. So yes, I would say radeon is better > >> at that. > > > > I guess I should have been more precise. > > > > All of my test boxes with ATI/AMD graphics hardware regressed after upgrading > > from openSUSE 11.1 to openSUSE 11.2, in different ways, because of the user > > space part of the radeon driver. Of course, you can argue that the dristro > > picked up particularly bad release of the driver, but from the user's point of > > view it actually doesn't matter whether the breakage is in the kernel part or > > in the user space part of the driver. The difference is, however, that the > > breakage in the kernel is fixed _way_ faster than the breakage in the user > > space, so I very much prefer the Intel people pushing new features aggressively > > and fixing bugs related to that, then the situation where I need to deal with > > the broken user space driver, while the KMS radeon is still not reliable > > enough. > > > > IOW, if your user space driver worked 100% of the time, I'd totally agree, but > > that's not the case, at least as far as I see it. > > > > Are you using the Novell radeonhd driver? (I think SuSE default to this for all > cards > r500). No I'm not. > This isn't the driver that is developed by the opensource community and > really your distro is where you complain about that sort of regression. I know, I'm not using it. > The wierd thing is we see distro picking up fixes for userspace > drivers *much* quicker > if their teams are the on the ball since they are only a small > component to upgrade, > with the kernel you find most distro fire and forget, so if 2.6.31 > doesn't work on your > hw you'll wait 6 months to find out that 2.634 doesn't work either. Well, openSUSE upgrades the kernel to -stable quite timely. Which is not the case with the Xorg drivers, so apparently it depends which distro you are on. :-) Rafael _______________________________________________ linux-pm mailing list linux-pm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-pm
