On Tue 2009-03-03 16:06:02, Arve Hj?nnev?g wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Pavel Machek <pavel@xxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi! > > > >> >> > Not ignoring, but considering them as insufficient. And since they've already > >> >> > been considered as insufficient, there's no point repeating them over and over > >> >> > again. That doesn't make them any better. > >> >> > >> >> The problem is that what you consider insufficient is what allows us > >> >> to ship a product. > >> > > >> > This doesn't matter a whit, because the mainline kernel is not just your > >> > product. > >> > >> Unless you are saying that changes in the mainline kernel does not > >> need be usable in practice, then it does matter. If we remove the > >> feature that allows us to interact with existing code, it will take > >> much longer before it is usable by anyone. > > > > Well, taking longer before "being usable" is good tradeoff if it means > > "we get cleaner/actually correct system in mainline sooner". > > I think this could go either way. If the system is usable, it may get > more use from developers that know how to improve a specific subsystem > to not use timeouts. Or, it may be considered good enough, and nobody > bothers coming up with a correct solution. I think the latter is what > you are worried will happen. Yep. > >> I submitted them three weeks ago. I'll submit a new set after I rename > >> the api (presumably to suspend_block(er)) but I would like more > >> agreement on the timeout issue first. > > > > I do believe that everyone (including you :-) agrees that timeouts are > > ugly hack. So just reorder the series so they come at the end. > > No, I think many uses of timeouts are a ugly hack, not all, but OK I > will try to move timeout support to a separate patch. Thanks. -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html _______________________________________________ linux-pm mailing list linux-pm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-pm
