A Linux Power Management "mini-summit" was held on July 22, 2008, immediately preceding the Ottawa Linux Symposium (OLS). Thanks to OLS for supplying the facilities, and thanks to Hewlett Packard for sponsoring food. We followed the process we used in 2007. The invitation to the meeting was open -- sent to linux-pm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Agenda topics were nominated on the list, and the attendees formed the agenda by consensus at the start of the session. Attendees --------- Pictured (left to right): http://userweb.kernel.org/~lenb/Linux-PM-mini-summit-2008.jpg Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@xxxxxxxxx> SH clock framework Kai Svahn <kai.svahn@xxxxxxxxx> Nokia n800 product line Matt Domsch <Matt_Domsch@xxxxxxxx> Server Power Management, Dell CTO Office Tim Bird <tim.bird@xxxxxxxxxxx> CELF, Sony Embedded Paul Mundt <lethal@xxxxxxxxxxxx> SH Maintainer Jarod Wilson <jwilson@xxxxxxxxxx> Red Hat cpufreq Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@xxxxxxxxxx> IBM, Server Power Management - RCU fame Len Brown <len.brown@xxxxxxxxx> Intel, ACPI and Suspend Maintainer Gautham R Shenoy <ego@xxxxxxxxxx> IBM, Server Power Management Richard Woodruff <r-woodruff2@xxxxxx> Texas Instruments, Embedded, OMAP Alan Stern <stern@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> USB Maintainer Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@xxxxxxx> Linux Kernel PM - Hibernate and Suspend Maintainer Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> IBM Server Power Management not in photo: Sujith Thomas <sujith.thomas@xxxxxxxxx>, Intel Ultra-Mobile Group Hiroyuki Machida <Hiroyuki.Mach@xxxxxxxxx> Sony Embedded Linux Power Management on OMAP3 ------------------------------- Richard Woodruff (Texas Instruments) presented highlights from his recent CELF presentation: http://www.celinux.org/elc08_presentations/TI_OMAP3430_Linux_PM_reference.ppt Richard enables TI processors during hardware development via emulation and simulation. TI's goal is to be prepared for high-level use cases at power-on. OMAP3 is sampling today, customers have prototypes. The OMAP3 Technical Reference Manual is now public. http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbudocumentcenter.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12667 (SWPU114I_PrelimFinalEPDF_06_10_2008.pdf) OMAP3430 Open Source targeted development boards: Labrador available to public ~$500 - runs android etc. Beagle board available to public ~$150 Current efforts focused on OMAP3, which is targeted at a broader marketplace than OMAP2. TI 65nm, 45nm silicon leakage has increased, so SW power management is even more critical than in OMAP2. In particular aggressive use of software-off mode is necessary. Linux is shipped in many commercial OMAP cell phones, but little code flow from these products flows upstream. So it is promising that TI is both using and contributing to very recent upstream software. On OMAP3, he is working with Linux kernel 2.6.24 and later. OMAP3 runs CPUIDLE. OMAP defines 6 idle-states, and makes use of the Bus-Master check to disqualify some states at run-time based on OMAP3 hardware. However, he reports the CPUIDLE bug that if target is avoided due to BM activity the original target state is still accounted the time. OMAP3 runs CONFIG_NO_HZ=y. OMAP3 runs powertop. 1.5 sec idle periods have been reported, longer if slab accounting is modified. OMAP3 runs cpufreq and its ondemand governor via an OMAP3 cpufreq driver. OMAP3 runs Linux's new pm_qos infrastructure. Richard thinks it was a good idea to generalize latency framework into pm_qos. But expects it not to have a material effect on basic course-grained systems that the says are often rushed to market. Rather it should benefit mainly highly optimized systems. Re: resume latency requirement Richard sees a less than ~30ms requirement for exiting off mode to handle limited modem buffering. While suspend-to-RAM works on OMAP3, it isn't very useful because device tree latency is too high. Further, it currently resumes devices that do not need to be resumed. OMAP3 device drivers are smart enough to go idle and save power by themselves w/o any global manager. Finally, the clock framework tracks functional clocks so power domains are powered off when possible. CPUIDLE thresholds they may be variable depending on P-state, but CPUIDLE uses constant thresholds CPUIDLE guesses wrong on interrupt-heavy workloads doesn't choose idle-poll for 100% interrupt workload CPUFREQ vs core/DSP dependency Nokia wants to extend cpufreq to handle this case. TI simply uses CPUFREQ as an input which is overridden by the resource dependency code. Run Time Device Power Management -------------------------------- Last year we talked about PPM (Power Policy Manager) and OHM (Open Hardware Manager) handling device power policy states from user-space. User-space would handle "dumb" devices, while devices with "smart" drivers (eg. USB) would autonomously recognize idle power savings opportunities and act on their own. Per above, Richard has abandoned the smart-user-space model on OMAP3, favoring the smart-driver model which is necessary to get the maximum benefit of off mode. So TI is pushing for all devices on the SOC to have drivers with intelligent autonomous power management. Snapshot Boot ------------- Hiroyuki Machida (Sony) presented a summary of shapshot boot, which was presented at OLS 2006. This technique has been employed by other embedded OSs for some time. These devices tend to have flash drives. shapshot boot eliminates: hibernate save image (re-use same image always) hibernate 1st kernel boot on resume by loading image directly from boot loader file systems are mounted Somebody observed that the kexec jump patches just went upstream. However, this isn't an alternative to snapshot boot -- as it addresses the jump only, not the image load. Runtime Power Management in the USB Subsystem --------------------------------------------- Alan Stern (Harvard) presented a review of USB Power Management. USB anatomy and lingo: UHCI original Intel implementation, dumb, requires 250ms timers OHCI smarter EHCI smarter and faster The uhci-hcd (host controller driver) binds to the UHCI host controller. USB "devices" hang off USB buses eg. flash drive or kbd. However, a USB device may be split into multiple "interfaces". eg. a kbd/mouse combination. Thus while power management acts on devices, there may be multiple interfaces per device and thus multiple drivers per device. Further, the USB host controller typically plugs into PCI on one side, and USB bus on other appearing as 2 devices in sysfs! So it is possible to suspend the USB part w/o suspending the PCI part. Fortunately, most of power savings in USB is achieved by suspending USB part anyway.... USB has 2 power states: 1. on 2. suspended (or unplugged) Leave out (or unplugged). It isn't really a state, even though the spec lists it as one. USB PM can not happen in atomic or interrupt context b/c upstream hub involved. Thus work queue used. Initial USB PM Implementation: Open = autoresume Close = autosuspend Worked well for USB scanner Doesn't work for keyboard, which is always open. Three possible suspend initiators: 1. pm-core: suspend 2. user initiated suspend request 3. suspend events from driver itself (autosuspend) resume events may come from PM, user, or remote device (eg use modem) keyboards are problematic: suspend current is insufficient to drive caps-lock LED also, suspended keyboards tend to lose the first few keystrokes before they can be resumed. plug-in (and un-plug) are wakeup events. Oops, what if you unplug while suspending -- wakeup! Autosuspend today depends on 2 parameters 1. is_used counter (open ++, close --) 2. timestamp of last device access USB suspend latency: O(1ms) USB resume latency: O(10ms) sysfs interface: /sys/.../power/autospend = delay time /sys/.../power/level = [on], auto, suspend "on" is default b/c many USB devices don't implement suspend properly. set it to auto in HAL via whitelist If no driver, auto will suspend device. USB autosuspend techniques may be generic in future. Alan prototyped auto-suspend on SCSI devices (logical units), though should be at SCSI target level. Need USB transport class for SCSI. future: an atomic API that can be be used from interrupt context. issue: if PCI host controller suspended and USB plugged in, PME lost by kernel PCI Run Time Power Management ----------------------------- Rafael J. Wysocki (University of Warsaw) led a discussion on Run Time power management specific to PCI. issue: wakeup of individual devices does not work. existing framework is for _system_ suspend only. Linux needs bridge driver to track dependencies of subordinate bus etc. PME handling for wakeup events: Sometimes an ACPI GPE fires on the PME, and it appears to be system specific. bus/power/state ACPI needed to track bus power states. device/power/state file non-standard useful for experiments no agreement on bus and device class syntax for file contents. We should restore a read-only bus-specific sysfs state file to USB and to PCI Otherwise, even for smart devices, it is difficult or impossible for user-space to even observe the device power state. Memory power management ----------------------- We discussed the challenges to memory power management on servers. Specifically, power-friendly interleaving and the inability to migrate/free pages used by the kernel. HSuperH may benefit soonest here b/c not stopped by interleaving issue. NUMA memory node for accounting. Paul Mundt, using on SH needs to be dynamic b/c cores turned on/off dynamically. This is a common requirement between embedded and server platform Consensus was to work on a common framework for page placement based on frequency of reference. Physical address to memory module (DIMM) information needs to be exported by the platform to get started on any memory PM techniques. Currently there is no information about fine grain memory topology except for NUMA systems at node level. Server Power Management ----------------------- Dipankar Sarma (IBM) and Vaidyanathan Srinivasan presented some observations on scheduling and C-states on multi-socket servers. "CPU consolidation" -- the strategy of grouping a partially idle workload on fewer sockets to allow the other sockets to go totally idle. CPU hot plug ~1sec resume deemed large & heavyweight CPUIDLE & PM_QOS & irq_balance & sched_mc can conflict are system-wide on a big SMP, this can waste power. Specifically PM_QOS is system-wide and in the long run we may want to have different policies for different sets of CPUs in an SMP server. PM QoS infrastructure needs to be granular. Richard mentioned that timer and tick coalescing help in embedded platforms. It may help on server and vitalized environments also. logical CPU numbers are (physically) arbitrary, yet irqbalance uses them. Thus, it chooses arbitrary physical processors for IRQ targets. Hence irqbalance can work against sched_mc_power_savings consolidation. workloads to show this problem: ebizzy (Val Henson) hacked to show issues. kernbench make -j2 on quad cores sched_mc_power_savings=1 helps (Thank you Suresh) see power vs performance RFC on lkml per-task power nice deemed too high overhead for many tasks, per-system seems realistic and sufficient. sched_mc_power_savings=N what if Asymmetric MP? sched-mc=0 load balancer spread all sched-mc=1 pull into fewest packages if 3 jobs on dual socket dual core wakeup biasing -- helps consolidate for low utilization add_timer_on() used by ondemand makes it difficult to pick up and move timers queued_delayed_work_on() -- same problem. Can't do power savings when these are used. JAVA vs power not "well behaved" -- lots of locking chatter but JAVA is fact of life on web servers. Java applications by nature generate a lot of wakeups. We need to look at JVM and java apps from this angle and see if something can be done to reduce those. Accounting vs CPUFREQ --------------------- Two issues: 1. charge back wall-clock vs cycle count 2. capacity planning & workload management need better granularity than jiffies (sys/tasks/utime) need APERF/MPERF average to qualify idle time ideally need data per task Powerpc has scaled accounting infrastructure via task stats should we hook tools/utilities to it? videy proposed patch for x86 to behave like power The APERF/MPERF based scaled chargeback accounting patch is in lkml - http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/5/26/154. No easy solution for the CPU capacity accounting - this will require more thinking. powertop/tools discussion ------------------------- Tim Bird asked if powertop was useful for embedded and if other tools were useful. Richard is finding powertop useful on OMAP3 (and Richard also showed some very powerful tracing tools to see where time goes). We brainstormed on ways to make powertop even more useful. show stats per core? ability to dig into problem application code? Decided to take this discussion to IRC #powertop powertop 1.11 seems to mis-behave when AC is removed -- the ACPI battery estimate decays and becomes huge after a few minutes, before going away. Virtualization PM implications ------------------------------ hosted virtualization model (KVM, UML) get power management for free hypervisor virtualization model (Xen) gets to re-implement Linux Xen on NUMA box -- what info to export to guest? sched_mc capability for Xen? hard binding of guests to HW in use today ie. same situation as last year. The hard binding should change to dynamic binding for power in future. suspend driver API update ------------------------- Rafael J. Wysocki (University of Warsaw) described the changes in driver callbacks for suspend. They support a multi-pass suspend sequence, and split callbacks w/ parameters into simpler callbacks w/o parameters. _______________________________________________ linux-pm mailing list linux-pm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-pm
