>> What do people think? I agree that we can improve on last year. There was no shortage of interest at the KS -- it seemed that everybody except Linus was running Linux on a laptop and had a personal interest in saving power, particularly through suspend/resume. But when we started to dig into a discussion and Alan was talking about probing devices on resume like we do at boot, Linus cut him off and basically said "stop talking about implementation -- go cut some code, and if the code works people will use it and it will improve over time." I found this extremely frustrating, because I don't think there is a consensus on what the requirements should be, and so it is difficult for people to effectively work together and cut code if they don't share a common vision of where we're going. At OLS, there was also no shortage of interest. I was amazed that a whole room full of people showed up for my talk on ACPI and also for the Linux-laptop BOF. A flock of people followed me around after that to make sure I was aware of exactly how their laptops were not working:-) But these forums were not particularly productive WRT tangible planning or problem solving. They were probably most useful just in getting various players on the same page WRT where we are. So I think at both of these forums what would go over really well would be a crisp articulation of what we think the requirements should be -- where we think we need to go -- and what the issues are getting those features in place. The outcome will be that at least everybody present will have a better understanding of the problems, and thus be better able to contribute with their ideas for solutions. For a PM-summit to be most effective, it would have to occur _before_ the KS, like the networking guys did last year. (either that, or as I think Patrick suggested, there should be a focused PM BOF during the KS itself). A BOF later at OLS would be good in any case b/c it can have a broader participation than KS. But it would be more effective to have a pre-meeting preceeding the KS so that crew could at least weigh-in on what we think the requirements and challenges are. thanks, -Len
