On Thursday 09 December 2021 19:51:03 qizhong.cheng wrote: > On Wed, 2021-12-08 at 11:18 +0100, Pali Rohár wrote: > > On Wednesday 08 December 2021 14:07:57 qizhong.cheng wrote: > > > On Tue, 2021-12-07 at 22:12 -0600, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 07, 2021 at 10:00:43PM +0100, Mark Kettenis wrote: > > > > > > Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 11:54:16 -0600 > > > > > > From: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > > > > > [+cc Marc, Alyssa, Mark, Luca for reset timing questions] > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bjorn, > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 07, 2021 at 04:41:53PM +0800, qizhong cheng > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Described in PCIe CEM specification sections 2.2 (PERST# > > > > > > > Signal) and > > > > > > > 2.2.1 (Initial Power-Up (G3 to S0)). The deassertion of > > > > > > > PERST# > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > be delayed 100ms (TPVPERL) for the power and clock to > > > > > > > become > > > > > > > stable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: qizhong cheng <qizhong.cheng@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > Acked-by: Pali Rohár <pali@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > 1) > > > 2) > > > Thanks for your reminding and suggestion. > > > > > > > > > 3) Most importantly, this needs to be reconciled with the > > > > > > similar > > > > > > change to the apple driver: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lore.kernel.org/r/20211123180636.80558-2-maz@xxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > In the apple driver, we're doing: > > > > > > > > > > > > - Assert PERST# > > > > > > - Set up REFCLK > > > > > > - Sleep 100us (T_perst-clk, CEM r5 2.2, 2.9.2) > > > > > > - Deassert PERST# > > > > > > - Sleep 100ms (not sure there's a name? PCIe r5 6.6.1) > > > > > > > > > > > > But here in mediatek, we're doing: > > > > > > > > > > > > - Assert PERST# > > > > > > - Sleep 100ms (T_pvperl, CEM r5 2.2, 2.2.1, 2.9.2) > > > > > > - Deassert PERST# > > > > > > > > > > > > My questions: > > > > > > > > > > My understanding of the the Apple PCIe hardware is somewhat > > > > > limited > > > > > but: > > > > > > > > > > > - Where does apple enforce T_pvperl? I can't tell where > > > > > > power > > > > > > to > > > > > > the slot is turned on. > > > > > > > > > > So far all available machines only have PCIe devices that are > > > > > soldered > > > > > onto the motherboard, so there are no "real" slots. As far as > > > > > we > > > > > can > > > > > tell the PCIe power domain is already powered on at the point > > > > > where > > > > > the m1n1 bootloader takes control. There is a GPIO that > > > > > controls > > > > > power to some devices (WiFi, SDHC on the M1 Pro/Max laptops) > > > > > and > > > > > those > > > > > devices are initially powered off. The Linux driver doesn't > > > > > currently > > > > > attempt to power these devices on, but U-Boot will power them > > > > > on if > > > > > the appropriate GPIO is defined in the device tree. The way > > > > > this > > > > > is > > > > > specified in the device tree is still under discussion. > > > > > > > > Does this mean we basically assume that m1n1 and early Linux boot > > > > takes at least the 100ms T_pvperl required by CEM sec 2.2, but we > > > > take > > > > pains to delay the 100us T_perst-clk? That seems a little weird, > > > > but > > > > I guess it is clear that REFCLK is *not* enabled before we enable > > > > it, > > > > so we do need at least the 100us there. > > > > > > > > It also niggles at me a little that the spec says T_pvperl starts > > > > from > > > > *power stable* (not from power enable) and T_perst-clk starts > > > > from > > > > *REFCLK stable* (not REFCLK enable). Since we don't know the > > > > time > > > > from enable to stable, it seems like native drivers should add > > > > some > > > > circuit-specific constants to the spec values. > > > > > > > > > > Reset of endpoint card via PERST# signal is defined in PCIe CEM r5 > > > 2.2: > > > "On power-up, the de-assertion of PERST# is delayed 100 ms > > > (TPVPERL) > > > from the power rails achieving specified operating limits. Also, > > > within > > > this time, the reference clocks (REFCLK+, REFCLK-) also become > > > stable, > > > at least TPERST-CLK before PERST# is de-asserted." > > > > > > - Tpvperl - PERST# must remain active at least this long after > > > power > > > becomes valid > > > > > > Initialize steps as following(please correct me if I'm wrong): > > > 1) Enable main power > > > 2) Assert PERST# > > > 3) Sleep 100ms (TPVPERL, within this time, the REFCLK and power > > > also > > > become stable)(CEM r5 figure 8: power up) > > > 4) Deassert PERST# > > > 5) wait until link training completes by software polling the Data > > > Link Layer Link Active bit > > > 6) if speed is greater than 5GT/s, wait another 100ms > > > > Hello! About month ago I was investigating correct order of steps and > > I > > wrote email about it, please look at it: > > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pci/20211022183808.jdeo7vntnagqkg7g@pali/ > > Hi Pali, > > Thanks for your investigating. > Modify the code to refer to your steps as following(please correct me > if I'm wrong): > 1) pcie_assert_reset(); > 2) pcie_power_on(); > 3) pcie_setup_refclk(); > 4) msleep(100); > 5) pcie_deassert_reset(); > 6) polling_link_active_bit(); > 7) msleep(100); If I understood it correctly then above steps should be OK. > > > > > > > > - Where does mediatek enforce the PCIe sec 6.6.1 delay > > > > > > after > > > > > > deasserting PERST# and before config requests? > > > > > > > > > > > > Software can determine when Link training completes by polling the > > > Data > > > Link Layer Link Active bit for maximum 100ms. > > > > My understanding is that it is needed to wait another 100ms _after_ > > link > > training completes. > > I still have some doubt the two cases that the spec proposes to be > greater than 5GT/s and not greater than 5GT/s, and even divided into > two paragraphs.(spec r6.6.1) IIRC support for DLLA bit was introduced in PCIe base spec 3.0, which also introduced support for 8GT/s (= greater than 5GT/s). I guess that split between "not grater than 5GT/s" and "greater than 5GT/s" could be due to fact that on older HW there do not have to be support for DLLA bit and so SW does not have generic way to check if link training completed. This is how I see it, I may be wrong. But there can be controller specific way how to access link training state, which lot of pcie drivers already do. If I'm looking at comparison of "not greater than 5GT/s" and "greater than 5GT/s", the only difference is that "grater than 5GT/s" has additional requirement to wait until link training completes. Therefore I would suggest following: if your PCIe HW can provide link training status also for devices "not greater than 5GT/s" then wait for link training complete also for them. And so do not distinguish between "not greater than 5GT/s" and "greater than 5GT/s" at all. But this is just my opinion. Bjorn, do you have any other comments regarding this? Or maybe different opinion how it should be handled? > > > > > > > > - Does either apple or mediatek support speeds greater than > > > > > > 5 > > > > > > GT/s, > > > > > > and if so, shouldn't we start the sec 6.6.1 100ms delay > > > > > > *after* > > > > > > Link training completes? > > > > > > > > > > The Apple hardware advertises support for 8 GT/s, but all the > > > > > devices > > > > > integrated on the Mac mini support only 2.5 GT/s or 5 GT/s. > > > > > > > > The spec doesn't say anything about what the downstream devices > > > > support (obviously it can't because we don't *know* what those > > > > devices > > > > are until after we enumerate them). So to be pedantically > > > > correct, > > > > I'd argue that we should pay attention to what the Root Port > > > > advertises. Of course, I don't think we do this correctly > > > > *anywhere* > > > > today. > > > > > > Thanks
