On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 03:47:29PM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote: > I recall that we previously suggested a very strict interpretation of > clearing the _RUNNING bit, but again I'm questioning if that's a real > requirement or simply a nice-to-have feature for some undefined > debugging capability. In raising the p2p DMA issue, we can see that a > hard stop independent of other devices is not really practical but I > also don't see that introducing a new state bit solves this problem any > more elegantly than proposed here. Thanks, I still disagree with this - the level of 'frozenness' of a device is something that belongs in the defined state exposed to userspace, not as a hidden internal state that userspace can't see. It makes the state transitions asymmetric between suspend/resume as resume does have a defined uAPI state for each level of frozeness and suspend does not. With the extra bit resume does: 0000, 0100, 1000, 0001 And suspend does: 0001, 1001, 0010, 0000 However, without the extra bit suspend is only 001, 010, 000 With hidden state inside the 010 Jason