Re: [Bugme-new] [Bug 13001] New: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space

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2009/4/8 Данила Жукоцкий <optimusgd@xxxxxxxxx>:
> Thank you for answer, Grant. I try tomorrow this patch.
>
> What done before you wrote me answer. I build all external non
> critical to boot stuff (sata,pata,usb,firewire,network drivers) to
> modules. All that stuff, without forcedeth, use 32bit dma AFAIC.
> Reboot in single user mode with extremely low gart apperture,
> iommu=4194304 (4mb). I presume that so small apperture help my quickly
> trigger bug. Unload all modules exept ide\sata (  ahci, libata,
> sata_nv) stuff and perform dd in and out sata hdd. I can read all hdd
> to /dev/null without problem, but while i perform dd from raw raid
> volume to sata hdd computer hung hard immediately with "kernel panic -
> not syncing: dma_map_area overflow 65536 bytes".

Please re-read what I wrote about sizing the IOMMU mapping resources.
In other words, with IOMMU=4MB, I expect this system to panic
very quickly. We've had similar problems in the parisc port in the past:
    http://lists.parisc-linux.org/hypermail/parisc-linux/9389.html

because the default IOMMU resource size was based on phys mem.
Systems with 64MB of RAM sized the space too small for basic use.

> No oops, no register dump, nothing, just this string in console.

This sounds like a different, secondary problem.

thanks,
grant

> Capslock and scroll lock
> leds blinking, magic sysrq not work. I reboot, remove all modules and
> all sata stuff, but insert usb stuff and perform some test on usb
> drive without any problem. After that i perform test without any
> modules loaded to and from /dev/null and 3ware raid test partition. No
> problem. So it may be sata\ide bug? Anyway, i can reproduce hung with
> 1gb apperture size, but it take couple hours.
>
> And again.
> Very strange behavior forcedeth nics. When i correctly poweroff 2.6.29
> kernel and boot 2.6.28 all my forcedeth nics down! In dmesg "no link
> during initialization" without "link up", leds off. Remove\insert
> modules, unplug and plug cables, warm reboots, cold reboots, poweroff
> with power cord off, reseting BIOS!!!!! wont help. Only one way i can
> boot 2.6.28 with working net is boot to 2.6.29 (nic up, leds light),
> then hard poweroff pressing power button 5 sec, and then powerup
> computer. Nic leds still light during this barbarian procedure, and
> 2.6.28 kernel boot with working network. After that reboot,
> poweron\poweroff and so on work as all years before 2.6.29 is released
> :) And i'm not alone with that, i know 3 people with similar forcedeth
> problem. One wrote this message
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5594777.html#5594777 , one this
> http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/1/11/403 (and return motherboard to dealer,
> as i understand), an one crying me to icq. I can wrote bugreport about
> this, but if you can explain me this mystic it whill be prefect,
> because debugging 2.6.29 with this glitches is pain in the ass.
>
>>2009/4/8 Grant Grundler <grundler@xxxxxxxxxx>:
>> 2009/4/7 Данила Жукоцкий <optimusgd@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>> Dammit BUG is still here!
>>>
>>> Sorry guys, bug is STILL here, but it hard to trigger. After eight
>>> night hours network and 3ware raid activity (sata drive umounted, usb
>>> hdd unplugged) my dmesg full of "dma_map_sg overflow" messages.
>>> Computer work all-night without any iommu options in boot string, but
>>> DMA still leaking, as i see.
>>
>> Possibly, but not necessarily a leak though. As you've noticed, the IOMMU
>> mappings is a limited resource and we can run out if too many IOs are
>> in flight. I *think* a 64MB apperture means we can have 64MB of IO
>> mapped at the same time - assuming we have 100% efficiency and
>> no fragmentation or other forms of "unusable" space.
>>
>>> Anybody, who understand how IOMMU driver
>>> work, can say me how i can set very small apperture size, about 4mb or
>>> something,
>>
>> You can 't reduce the IOMMU mapping space to smaller than the
>> amount of IO can possibly be in flight. A starting point to compute this:
>> 1) count the number of block devices, the max size of each IO, and the
>> queue depth.
>> 2) plus number of NICs * RX depth * TX depth * 4k (page size)
>>
>> I'm ignoring pci_consistent (ie control data) data allocations. Those can be
>> determined by looking at idle system after reboot. Don't know where but
>> I had added debug code to parisc IOMMU code to dump that sort of info in
>> the past.
>>
>> I'm also ignore 64-bit capable devices completely bypassing the IOMMU
>> and not consuming any resources at all.
>>
>>> because with default 64mb apperture i get leak only after
>>> couple of hours, so leak is small.
>>
>> For a system with a RAID device and more than 1GB of RAM, it's not that
>> hard to get more than 64MB of IO in flight. Just depends on the IO
>> controllers.
>>
>> If it's a leak, the only way to track it is to add debug code that tracks
>> the IP of the caller along with each mapping. Enabling such debugging
>> code will substantially change the timing of DMA map/unmap calls.
>>
>>> And i again not understand source
>>> of leaking, it may be network, sata, usb, etc (i don't reboot computer
>>> after yesterday's IO tests to from usb\sata). So how i can painless
>>> catch the leak source without disabling subsystems one by one and
>>> hours-long tests? It is workstation, and i must do my job all-day with
>>> it.
>>
>> First off, you can eliminate 64-bit devices/drivers. Yinghai Lu submitted
>> a patch to print the DMA mask:
>>    http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/10/8/274
>>
>> Add that patch, rebuild the kernel and post the dmesg output would
>> be a starting point. Posting "lspci -vt" and "lspci -v" would also help.
>>
>> FYI: PCI drivers get 32-bit dma_mask by default until the driver calls
>> pci_set_dma_mask(). So inspecting drivers will tell you if they are
>> actually using the IOMMU (or not if they set dma_mask to 64-bit).
>>
>> hth,
>> grant
>>
>>> 2009/4/8 Grant Grundler <grundler@xxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>> Anyone understand why allowdac exists or if it's buggy?
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> grant
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Grant Grundler <grundler@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Date: 2009/4/7
>>>> Subject: Re: [Bugme-new] [Bug 13001] New: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space
>>>> To: Данила Жукоцкий <optimusgd@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Cc: akpm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, linux-ide@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
>>>> bugme-daemon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, x86@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2009/4/7 Данила Жукоцкий <optimusgd@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank You, Grant, for Your simple questions!
>>>>
>>>> Welcome!
>>>> I was just trying to point out some additional information to folks
>>>> who might understand the code. I don't in this case but was looking
>>>> for more clues.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Without "allowdac" after
>>>>> couple of hours testing i cannot reproduce bug! So it is my stupid
>>>>> mistake, i don't understand Why i add this absolutely unusual
>>>>> parameter to boot string.
>>>>
>>>> I thought I understood IOMMUs having written code for 4 different
>>>> implementations.
>>>> I don't understand why "allowdac" parameter exists.
>>>> dma_mask stuff should be handling this already.
>>>> Can someone explain *why* (Данила already posted the docs) this
>>>> parameter exists?
>>>> (ie use case that dma_mask APIs don't work.)
>>>>
>>>>> I'm apologize to All off You for this stupid
>>>>> mindfuck. You may close the bug, because it is bug in my damn head.
>>>>
>>>> My first impression: the bug is either allocdma exists instead of using
>>>> DMA API (See Documentation/DMA-API.txt) OR the documentation for
>>>> allocdma is missing warnings about "this could break your system"
>>>> and clearly specify when it should be used.
>>>>
>>>> hth,
>>>> grant
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/4/7 Данила Жукоцкий <optimusgd@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>> > Forgot reply to all, sorry
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> > From: Данила Жукоцкий <optimusgd@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> > Date: 2009/4/7
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Bugme-new] [Bug 13001] New: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space
>>>>> > To: Grant Grundler <grundler@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Yes, in attachment clear dmesg, warnings in bugreport body
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>Apr  3 13:38:46 rngmhpamd sata_nv 0000:00:05.0: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space for 4096 bytes
>>>>> >>Apr  3 13:38:46 rngmhpamd sata_nv 0000:00:05.0: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space for 4096 bytes
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I got "PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space" while trying write data to usb or
>>>>> > sata hdd before all other error messages. After that usb and sata
>>>>> > drives lost. All other noise is attempts to communicate with died
>>>>> > devices.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>Kernel command line:
>>>>> >>mce=bootlog root=/dev/ram0 real_root=/dev/evms/root init=/linuxrc
>>>>> > I'm boot from 3ware raid with evmc
>>>>> >>iommu=allowdac,merge,memaper=3
>>>>> > This is from Documentation/x86/x86_64/boot-options.txt
>>>>> > iommu=allowdac Im try to avoid DMA bug. May be that not need.
>>>>> > allowdac           Allow double-address cycle (DAC) mode, i.e. DMA >4GB.
>>>>> >                       DAC is used with 32-bit PCI to push a 64-bit address in
>>>>> >                       two cycles. When off all DMA over >4GB is forced through
>>>>> >                       an IOMMU or software bounce buffering.
>>>>> > merge              Do scatter-gather (SG) merging.
>>>>> > memaper[=<order>]  Allocate an own aperture over RAM with size 32MB<<order.
>>>>> >                       (default: order=1, i.e. 64MB)
>>>>> > With default apperture, 64mb, DMA leak very fast, now i have
>>>>> > memaper=5, 1 gb, becouse i must do my job and can't rollback to 2.6.28
>>>>> > due strange mysterious problem with forcedeth nics that i can't
>>>>> > explain and solve. If solution for DMA leak will not be found, i'm try
>>>>> > to fill bugreport about problem with nics.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>3w_9xxx.use_msi=1 snd-hda-intel.enable_msi=1 doevms quiet
>>>>> > I prefer use msi on that hardware.
>>>>> >>...
>>>>> >>Your BIOS doesn't leave a aperture memory hole
>>>>> >>Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup
>>>>> >>This costs you 256 MB of RAM
>>>>> >
>>>>> > xw9400 BIOS do not have IOMMU option in the BIOS setup. Now this costs
>>>>> > me 1gb of ram
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Anyway, i can stable reproduce bug without all this whistlers
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2009/4/7 Grant Grundler <grundler@xxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>> >> 2009/4/5 Данила Жукоцкий <optimusgd@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>> >>> 2009/4/4 Andrew Morton <akpm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> (switched to email.  Please respond via emailed reply-to-all, not via the
>>>>> >>>> bugzilla web interface).
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:30:19 GMT bugzilla-daemon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13001
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>            Summary: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space
>>>>> >>>>>            Product: Platform Specific/Hardware
>>>>> >>>>>            Version: 2.5
>>>>> >>>>>     Kernel Version: 2.6.29-gentoo
>>>>> >>>>>           Platform: All
>>>>> >>>>>         OS/Version: Linux
>>>>> >>>>>               Tree: Mainline
>>>>> >>>>>             Status: NEW
>>>>> >>>>>           Severity: normal
>>>>> >>>>>           Priority: P1
>>>>> >>>>>          Component: x86-64
>>>>> >>>>>         AssignedTo: platform_x86_64@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >>>>>         ReportedBy: optimusgd@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >>>>>         Regression: Yes
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Created an attachment (id=20789)
>>>>> >>>>>  --> (http://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=20789)
>>>>> >>>>> hwreport generated info
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> After some IO activity the "PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space" message appear.
>>>>> >>>>> 2.6.28-gentoo-r4 work ok, so it is regression.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> It is indeed a regression.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Dmesg fragments:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:46 rngmhpamd sata_nv 0000:00:05.0: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space for
>>>>> >>>>> 4096 bytes
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The bug report has a "dmesg" attachment but I wasn't able to find the
>>>>> >> "Out of IOMMU space" message in the dmesg.  Can that be corrected?
>>>>> >> I was looking for IDE/SATA errors *before* the IOMMU errors.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> But I was surprised to find these bits:
>>>>> >> ...
>>>>> >> Kernel command line: mce=bootlog root=/dev/ram0
>>>>> >> real_root=/dev/evms/root init=/linuxrc iommu=allowdac,merge,memaper=3
>>>>> >> 3w_9xxx.use_msi=1 snd-hda-intel.enable_msi=1 doevms quiet
>>>>> >> Initializing CPU#0
>>>>> >> ...
>>>>> >> Your BIOS doesn't leave a aperture memory hole
>>>>> >> Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup
>>>>> >> This costs you 256 MB of RAM
>>>>> >> ...
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I'm not familiar with iommu= parameter nor the warning about the BIOS.
>>>>> >> Any comments on that?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> thanks,
>>>>> >> grant
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:46 rngmhpamd sata_nv 0000:00:05.0: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space for
>>>>> >>>>> 4096 bytes
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:46 rngmhpamd ata1: EH in SWNCQ mode,QC:qc_active 0x1 sactive 0x1
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:46 rngmhpamd ata1: SWNCQ:qc_active 0x0 defer_bits 0x0
>>>>> >>>>> last_issue_tag 0xfafbfcfd
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:46 rngmhpamd dhfis 0x0 dmafis 0x0 sdbfis 0x0
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:46 rngmhpamd ata1: ATA_REG 0x50 ERR_REG 0x0
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:46 rngmhpamd ata1: tag : dhfis dmafis sdbfis sacitve
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:46 rngmhpamd ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x1 SErr 0x0 action
>>>>> >>>>> 0x6
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:46 rngmhpamd ata1.00: cmd 60/08:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/40 tag
>>>>> >>>>> 0 ncq 4096 in
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:46 rngmhpamd res 50/00:00:00:00:00/00:45:00:00:00/a0 Emask 0x40
>>>>> >>>>> (internal error)
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:46 rngmhpamd ata1.00: status: { DRDY }
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:46 rngmhpamd ata1: hard resetting link
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Are these scary-looking messages also present in 2.6.28?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> If so, perhaps the ata code is leaking DMA memory on the error-handling path?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:47 rngmhpamd ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl
>>>>> >>>>> 300)
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:47 rngmhpamd ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:47 rngmhpamd ata1: EH complete
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:47 rngmhpamd sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] 488397168 512-byte hardware
>>>>> >>>>> sectors: (250 GB/232 GiB)
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:47 rngmhpamd sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:47 rngmhpamd sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:47 rngmhpamd sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache:
>>>>> >>>>> enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:47 rngmhpamd sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] 488397168 512-byte hardware
>>>>> >>>>> sectors: (250 GB/232 GiB)
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:47 rngmhpamd sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:47 rngmhpamd sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
>>>>> >>>>> Apr  3 13:38:47 rngmhpamd sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache:
>>>>> >>>>> enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> And
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:56:18 rngmhpamd ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space
>>>>> >>>>> for 4608 bytes
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:56:18 rngmhpamd ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space
>>>>> >>>>> for 69632 bytes
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:56:48 rngmhpamd usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd
>>>>> >>>>> and address 8
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:56:48 rngmhpamd ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space
>>>>> >>>>> for 11776 bytes
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:56:48 rngmhpamd ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space
>>>>> >>>>> for 69632 bytes
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:57:19 rngmhpamd usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd
>>>>> >>>>> and address 8
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:57:19 rngmhpamd ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space
>>>>> >>>>> for 11776 bytes
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:57:19 rngmhpamd ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space
>>>>> >>>>> for 69632 bytes
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:57:50 rngmhpamd usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd
>>>>> >>>>> and address 8
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:57:50 rngmhpamd ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space
>>>>> >>>>> for 11776 bytes
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:57:50 rngmhpamd ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space
>>>>> >>>>> for 69632 bytes
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:58:21 rngmhpamd usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd
>>>>> >>>>> and address 8
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:58:21 rngmhpamd ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space
>>>>> >>>>> for 11776 bytes
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:58:21 rngmhpamd ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space
>>>>> >>>>> for 69632 bytes
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:58:52 rngmhpamd usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd
>>>>> >>>>> and address 8
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:58:52 rngmhpamd ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space
>>>>> >>>>> for 11776 bytes
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:58:52 rngmhpamd ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU space
>>>>> >>>>> for 69632 bytes
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:59:01 rngmhpamd sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Unhandled error code
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:59:01 rngmhpamd sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Result: hostbyte=0x07
>>>>> >>>>> driverbyte=0x00
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:59:01 rngmhpamd end_request: I/O error, dev sdc, sector 1137
>>>>> >>>>> Mar 31 20:59:01 rngmhpamd __ratelimit: 246 callbacks suppressed
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Do we have any debugging option for dumping the current PCI DMA
>>>>> >>>> allocations, find out where it has all gone?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Upgrade to 2.6.29-gentoo-r1 (2.6.29.1), problem is still here, can
>>>>> >>> easyly trigger it. I boot with default apperture, 64mb, and while
>>>>> >>> write to usb-hdd get this:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Apr  5 14:28:56 rngmhpamd ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU
>>>>> >>> space for 65536 bytes
>>>>> >>> Apr  5 14:28:56 rngmhpamd ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.1: PCI-DMA: Out of IOMMU
>>>>> >>> space for 65536 bytes
>>>>> >>> Apr  5 14:29:27 rngmhpamd usb 1-4: reset high speed USB device using
>>>>> >>> ehci_hcd and address 6
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