Hi Matthew, thanks for replying. > > The need for O_CLOFORK might be made more clear by looking at a > > long-standing Go issue, i.e. unrelated to system(3), which was started > > in 2017 by Russ Cox when he summed up the current race-condition > > behaviour of trying to execve(2) a newly created file: > > https://github.com/golang/go/issues/22315. > > The problem is that people advocating for O_CLOFORK understand its > value, but not its cost. Other google employees have a system which > has literally millions of file descriptors in a single process. > Having to maintain this extra state per-fd is a cost they don't want > to pay (and have been quite vocal about earlier in this thread). So do you agree the userspace issue is best solved by *_CLOFORK and the problem is how to implement *_CLOFORK at an acceptable cost? OTOH David Laight was making suggestions on moving the load to the fork/exec path earlier in the thread, but OTOH Al Viro mentioned a ‘portable solution’, though that could have been to a specific issue rather than the more general case. How would you recommend approaching an acceptable cost is progressed? Iterate on patch versions? Open a bugzilla.kernel.org for central tracking and linking from the other projects? ..? -- Cheers, Ralph.