Hmm... It's right that some of my comments are rather harsh, though you must know that I'm not speaking from a personal perspective. Personally (and as Release Manager), I would be very happy to have a good working hppa port for Squeeze and beyond. I made sure that the hppa port was included into Lenny even when the Debian System Administrators (DSA), package maintainers, release team members an others were shouting to drop it. I thought it was unfair to drop the port just before the release. They accepted my decision as long as I would make it clear that it was a *big* exception not to be taken lightly. At the time java support was completely dropped, buildds were crashing every other day and support for other programing languages looked poor and the port was still using linuxthreads as the latest of all ports. After the release of Lenny there were still not much signs of improvement to the reliability of the buildds and the move to ntpl (that was going to solve almost all issues the maintainers had) seemed to not happen and not going to solve everything. The only surprising improvement was the regained java support. It's quite disturbing in my honest opinion that only after us starting a thread like this one that we get to know the status of some of the porting efforts and lots of vocal support, but not many visible improvements. Instead of making sure that there is visibile improvement after that, this pattern seems to repeat itself which is not looking very promising. I'm sorry if my and others' frustration is ventilated in some of the mails. The issues with the buildds are lasting for years already with lots of time spent by DSA and others. I still hope that the hppa porters can prove us wrong, fix the kernel issues (which are the probable cause of the unreliability of the buildds), finalise the ntpl move and stay on top of porting issues in Debian in the future. Please let us now focus on improving the status of the hppa port in general and the buildds in particular! Cheers Luk -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-parisc" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
