"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@xxxxxxx> writes: > On Friday 14 May 2010, Kevin Hilman wrote: >> Kevin Hilman <khilman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: >> >> > "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@xxxxxxx> writes: >> > >> >> On Thursday 13 May 2010, Tony Lindgren wrote: >> >>> * Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@xxxxxxx> [100513 14:16]: >> > >> > [...] >> > >> >>> >> >>> > It solves a practical issue that _at_ _the_ _moment_ cannot be solved >> >>> > differently, while there's a growing number of out-of-tree drivers depending >> >>> > on this framework. We need those drivers in and because we don't have any >> >>> > viable alternative at hand, we have no good reason to reject it. >> >>> >> >>> Nothing is preventing merging the drivers can be merged without >> >>> these calls. >> >> >> >> And yet, there _is_ a growing nuber of drivers that don't get merge because >> >> of that. That's _reality_. Are you going to discuss with facts, or what? >> > >> > It may be reality, but IMO, "preventing other drivers" isn't a good >> > *technical* argument for merging a feature. It feels like these "for >> > the 'good' of the community" arguments are being used to trump the >> > technical arguments. Maybe we need to keep the separate. >> >> To continue along the "for the good of the community" path... >> >> If it truly is the lack of a suspend blocker API that is preventing >> the merge of these out of tree drivers, I second Mark's proposal[1] to >> merge a noop version of the API while the technical issues continue to >> be discussed. > > I'm against that, sorry. OK, I'll bite... Why? >> Then we would see how many drivers get submitted and merged. >> >> Personally, I suspect that lack of this feature is not the real >> obstacle to getting these out-of-tree drivers upstream. Having this >> API upstream will not change the product schedules and corporate >> cultures that have prevented code from making its way upstream. > > But apparently it is considered as a suitable excuse. No, it is not a _technical_ excuse. Just a healthy, experience-based dose of skepticism. It was expressed because I find the arguments above for merging because it prevents out-of-tree drivers from merging quite unconvincing. This is not just about opportunistic suspend + suspend blockers specifically but comes from several years experience in the embedded Linux world. Kevin -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-omap" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
