On Thu, Nov 09, 2017 at 06:44:49AM +0100, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Hi Russel, Nikolus, > > Am 08.11.2017 um 23:38 schrieb Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > > > > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 10:36:04PM +0000, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > >> We don't need a compiler warning there, we probably need better help > >> text against DEBUG_LL and against EARLY_PRINTK. > > > > Actually, this is already clearly stated against DEBUG_LL: > > > > Note that selecting this option will limit the kernel to a single > > UART definition, as specified below. Attempting to boot the kernel > > image on a different platform *will not work*, so this option should > > not be enabled for kernels that are intended to be portable. > > > > and since EARLY_PRINTK depends on DEBUG_LL... I guess people don't > > read help texts anymore. > > Yes, we read, but we face a situation where it doesn't help that it is a > well known problem *for you* or anyone else and that it is described in > the help. Personally, I'd like early_printk not to be re-using this, but others disagree. It's all about knowledge and compromise. What we don't want is more warnings in the kernel - it's already hard enough for people to spot the "bad" warnings that they need to fix to have a working system (such as wrong printf specifiers) that (a) they're not going to spot this #warning and (b) it's just going to be more noise for those who do try to spot the warnings. > Do you expect anybody to remember after 3 years of *not* changing DEBUG_LL > what was written in a help message? Or to understand that DEBUG_LL has > anything to do with the mysteriously appearing boot problem? Which can't > easily be debugged since there are no messages despite playing with > EARLY_PRINTK/EARLYCON? Do you expect people to read the build log of their kernel and spot the additional warning? You might be on the ball enough to do that, but not everyone does, or is. Not everyone logs the output of the kernel build so they can review it later. I suspect that many just set the build going in a terminal, walk away and come back sometime later when they think it's done. (This view is based upon the number of warnings that I've seen crop up that are for things that are real bugs that others have introduced - had the warnings been spotted, it would've triggered a "oh, that's not right" moment.) -- RMK's Patch system: http://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/ FTTC broadband for 0.8mile line in suburbia: sync at 8.8Mbps down 630kbps up According to speedtest.net: 8.21Mbps down 510kbps up -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-omap" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
