On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:38 AM Trond Myklebust <trondmy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 13, 2023, at 09:55, Olga Kornievskaia <aglo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:08 PM Chuck Lever III <chuck.lever@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Feb 12, 2023, at 1:01 AM, Wang Yugui <wangyugui@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> question about the performance of sec=krb5. > >>> > >>> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/azure-netapp-files/performance-impact-kerberos > >>> Performance impact of krb5: > >>> Average IOPS decreased by 53% > >>> Average throughput decreased by 53% > >>> Average latency increased by 3.2 ms > >> > >> Looking at the numbers in this article... they don't > >> seem quite right. Here are the others: > >> > >>> Performance impact of krb5i: > >>> • Average IOPS decreased by 55% > >>> • Average throughput decreased by 55% > >>> • Average latency increased by 0.6 ms > >>> Performance impact of krb5p: > >>> • Average IOPS decreased by 77% > >>> • Average throughput decreased by 77% > >>> • Average latency increased by 1.6 ms > >> > >> I would expect krb5p to be the worst in terms of > >> latency. And I would like to see round-trip numbers > >> reported: what part of the increase in latency is > >> due to server versus client processing? > >> > >> This is also remarkable: > >> > >>> When nconnect is used in Linux, the GSS security context is shared between all the nconnect connections to a particular server. TCP is a reliable transport that supports out-of-order packet delivery to deal with out-of-order packets in a GSS stream, using a sliding window of sequence numbers. When packets not in the sequence window are received, the security context is discarded, and a new security context is negotiated. All messages sent with in the now-discarded context are no longer valid, thus requiring the messages to be sent again. Larger number of packets in an nconnect setup cause frequent out-of-window packets, triggering the described behavior. No specific degradation percentages can be stated with this behavior. > >> > >> > >> So, does this mean that nconnect makes the GSS sequence > >> window problem worse, or that when a window underrun > >> occurs it has broader impact because multiple connections > >> are affected? > > > > Yes nconnect makes the GSS sequence window problem worse (very typical > > to generate more than gss window size number of rpcs and have no > > ability to control in what order they would be sent) and yes all > > connections are affected. ONTAP as linux uses 128 gss window size but > > we've experimented with increasing it to larger values and it would > > still cause issues. > > > >> Seems like maybe nconnect should set up a unique GSS > >> context for each xprt. It would be helpful to file a bug. > > > > At the time when I saw the issue and asked about it (though can't find > > a reference now) I got the impression that having multiple contexts > > for the same rpc client was not going to be acceptable. > > > > We have discussed this earlier on this mailing list. To me, the two issues are separate. > - It would be nice to enforce the GSS window on the client, and to throttle further RPC calls from using a context once the window is full. > - It might also be nice to allow for multiple contexts on the client and to have them assigned on a per-xprt basis so that the number of slots scales with the number of connections. > > Note though, that window issues do tend to be mitigated by the NFSv4.x (x>0) sessions. It would make sense for server vendors to ensure that they match the GSS window size to the max number of session slots. Matching max session slots to gss window size doesn't help but perhaps my understanding of the flow is wrong. Typically all these runs are done with the client's default session slot # which is only 64slots (server's session slot size is higher). The session slot assignment happens after the gss sequence assignment. So we have a bunch of requests that have gotten gss sequence numbers that exceed the window slot and then they go wait for the slot assignment but when they are sent they are already out of sequence window. > > _________________________________ > Trond Myklebust > Linux NFS client maintainer, Hammerspace > trond.myklebust@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >
