On Fri, 2022-03-11 at 06:58 -0500, Benjamin Coddington wrote: > On 10 Mar 2022, at 16:07, Trond Myklebust wrote: > > > On Wed, 2022-03-09 at 15:01 -0500, Benjamin Coddington wrote: > > > On 27 Feb 2022, at 18:12, trondmy@xxxxxxxxxx wrote: > > > > > > > From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > Instead of using a linear index to address the pages, use the > > > > cookie of > > > > the first entry, since that is what we use to match the page > > > > anyway. > > > > > > > > This allows us to avoid re-reading the entire cache on a > > > > seekdir() > > > > type > > > > of operation. The latter is very common when re-exporting NFS, > > > > and > > > > is a > > > > major performance drain. > > > > > > > > The change does affect our duplicate cookie detection, since we > > > > can > > > > no > > > > longer rely on the page index as a linear offset for detecting > > > > whether > > > > we looped backwards. However since we no longer do a linear > > > > search > > > > through all the pages on each call to nfs_readdir(), this is > > > > less > > > > of a > > > > concern than it was previously. > > > > The other downside is that invalidate_mapping_pages() no longer > > > > can > > > > use > > > > the page index to avoid clearing pages that have been read. A > > > > subsequent > > > > patch will restore the functionality this provides to the 'ls - > > > > l' > > > > heuristic. > > > > > > I didn't realize the approach was to also hash out the linearly- > > > cached > > > entries. I thought we'd do something like flag the context for > > > hashed page > > > indexes after a seekdir event, and if there are collisions with > > > the > > > linear > > > entries, they'll get fixed up when found. > > > > Why? What's the point of using 2 models where 1 will do? > > I don't think the hashed model is quite as simple and efficient > overall, and > may produce impacts to a system beyond NFS. > > > > > > > Doesn't that mean that with this approach seekdir() only hits the > > > same pages > > > when the entry offset is page-aligned? That's 1 in 127 odds. > > > > The point is not to stomp all over the pages that contain aligned > > data > > when the application does call seekdir(). > > > > IOW: we always optimise for the case where we do a linear read of > > the > > directory, but we support random seekdir() + read too. > > And that could be done just by bumping the seekdir users to some > constant > offset (index 262144 ?), or something else equally dead-nuts simple. > That > keeps tightly clustered page indexes, so walking the cache is > faster. That > reduces the "buckshot" effect the hashing has of eating up pagecache > pages > they'll never use again. That doesn't cap our caching ability at 33 > million > entries. > What you say would make sense if readdir cookies truly were offsets, but in general they're not. Cookies are unstructured data, and should be treated as unstructured data. Let's say I do cache more than 33 million entries and I have to find a cookie. I have to linearly read through at least 1GB of cached data before I can give up and start a new readdir. Either that, or I need to have a heuristic that tells me when to stop searching, and then another heuristic that tells me where to store the data in a way that doesn't trash the page cache. With the hashing, I seek to the page matching the hash, and I either immediately find what I need, or I immediately know to start a readdir. There is no need for any additional heuristic. > Its weird to me that we're doing exactly what XArray says not to do, > hash > the index, when we don't have to. > > > > It also means we're amplifying the pagecache's useage for > > > slightly > > > changing > > > directories - rather than re-using the same pages we're > > > scattering > > > our usage > > > across the index. Eh, maybe not a big deal if we just expect the > > > page > > > cache's LRU to do the work. > > > > > > > I don't understand your point about 'not reusing'. If the user > > seeks to > > the same cookie, we reuse the page. However I don't know how you > > would > > go about setting up a schema that allows you to seek to an > > arbitrary > > cookie without doing a linear search. > > So when I was taking about 'reusing' a page, that's about re-filling > the > same pages rather than constantly conjuring new ones, which requires > less of > the pagecache's resources in total. Maybe the pagecache can handle > that > without it negatively impacting other users of the cache that /will/ > re-use > their cached pages, but I worry it might be irresponsible of us to > fill the > pagecache with pages we know we're never going to find again. > In the case where the processes are reading linearly through a directory that is not changing (or at least where the beginning of the directory is not changing), we will reuse the cached data, because just like in the linearly indexed case, each process ends up reading the exact same sequence of cookies, and looking up the exact same sequence of hashes. The sequences start to diverge only if they hit a part of the directory that is being modified. At that point, we're going to be invalidating page cache entries anyway with the last reader being more likely to be following the new sequence of cookies. The hashed indexing does come with a cost, thanks to XArray but that cost is limited to a max of 8MB with the current scheme. -- Trond Myklebust Linux NFS client maintainer, Hammerspace trond.myklebust@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
