> On Aug 26, 2020, at 2:31 PM, Eric Biggers <ebiggers@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:13:43AM -0700, Chuck Lever wrote: >> Hi Eric- >> >> I'm trying to construct a viable IMA metadata format (ie, what >> goes into security.ima) to support Merkle trees. >> >> Rather than storing an entire Merkle tree per file, Mimi would >> like to have a metadata format that can store the root hash of >> a Merkle tree. Instead of reading the whole tree, an NFS client >> (for example) would generate the parts of the file's fs-verity >> Merkle tree on-demand. The tree itself would not be exposed or >> transported by the NFS protocol. > > This won't work because you'd need to reconstruct the whole Merkle tree when > reading the first byte from the file. Check the fs-verity FAQ > (https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/filesystems/fsverity.html#faq) where I > explained this in more detail (fourth question). We agree there are inefficiencies with the proposed scheme. The Merkle tree would be rehydrated at measurement time, and used at read time to verify the results of each subsequent NFS READ. We assume that parts of the tree and parts of the file content can be evicted from the client's memory at any time. So verifying READ results may require rehydration of some or all of the Merkle tree. If we're careful, eviction might avoid the higher levels of the tree to prevent the need to read the whole file again. So, maybe we want to store the first level or two of the tree as well? Obviously there is a limit to how much can be stored in an extended attribute. >> Following up with the recent thread on linux-integrity, starting >> here: >> >> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-integrity/1597079586.3966.34.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/t/#u >> >> I think the following will be needed. >> >> 1. The parameters for (re)constructing the Merkle tree: >> - The name of the digest algorithm >> - The unit size represented by each leaf in the tree >> - The depth of the finished tree >> - The size of the file >> - Perhaps a salt value >> - Perhaps the file's mtime at the time the hash was computed >> - The root hash > > Well, the xattr would need to contain the same information as > struct fsverity_enable_arg, the argument to FS_IOC_ENABLE_VERITY. > >> 2. A fingerprint of the signer: >> - The name of the digest algorithm >> - The digest of the signer's certificate >> >> 3. The signature >> - The name of the signature algorithm >> - The signature, computed over 1. > > I thought there was a desire to just use the existing "integrity.ima" > signature format. I am very interested in using EVM_IMA_DIGSIG. However, there appears to be a consensus that for cases like NFS, every readpage result needs to be verified, just as fs-verity does it. I suppose measurement for an NFS file could involve verifying a saved linear hash while at the same time constructing a Merkle tree on the client? >> There has been some controversy about whether to allow the >> metadata to be unsigned. It can't ever be unsigned for NFS files, >> but some feel that on a physically secure local-only set up, >> signatures could be unnecessary overhead. I'm not convinced, and >> believe the metadata should always be signed: that's the only >> way to guarantee end-to-end integrity, which includes protection >> of the content's provenance, no matter how it is stored. > > Are you looking for integrity-only protection (protection against accidental > modification), or also for authenticity protection (protection against > malicicous modifications)? For authenticity, you have to verify the file's hash > against something you trust. A signature is the usual way to do that. My interest is content provenance (authenticity), where both a digest and its signature are required. I can't speak for how others want to use this metadata. -- Chuck Lever
