Re: [PATCH nfs-utils v3 00/14] add NFS over AF_VSOCK support

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On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 08:26:39AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> I'm not sure there is a strong one. I most just thought it sounded like
> a possible solution here.
> 
> There's already a standard in place for doing RPC over AF_LOCAL, so
> there's less work to be done there. We also already have AF_LOCAL
> transport in the kernel (mostly for talking to rpcbind), so there's
> helps reduce the maintenance burden there.
> 
> It utilizes something that looks like a traditional unix socket, which
> may make it easier to alter other applications to use it. 
> 
> There's also a clear way to "firewall" this -- just don't mount hvsockfs
> (or whatever), or don't build it into the kernel. No filesystem, no
> sockets.
> 
> I'm not sure I'd agree about this being more restrictive, necessarily.
> If we did this, you could envision eventually building something that
> looks like this to a running host, but where the remote end is something
> else entirely. Whether that's truly useful, IDK...

This approach where communications channels appear on the file system is
similar to the existing virtio-serial device.  The guest driver creates
a character device for each serial communications channel configured on
the host.  It's a character device node though and not a UNIX domain
socket.

One of the main reasons for adding virtio-vsock was to get native
Sockets API communications that most applications expect (including
NFS!).  Serial char device semantics are awkward.

Sticking with AF_LOCAL for a moment, another approach is for AF_VSOCK
tunnel to the NFS traffic:

  (host)# vsock-proxy-daemon --unix-domain-socket path/to/local.sock
                             --listen --port 2049
  (host)# nfsd --local path/to/local.sock ...

  (guest)# vsock-proxy-daemon --unix-domain-socket path/to/local.sock
                              --cid 2 --port 2049
  (guest)# mount -t nfs -o proto=local path/to/local.sock /mnt

It has drawbacks over native AF_VSOCK support:

1. Certain NFS protocol features become impossible to implement since
   there is no meaningful address information that can be exchanged
   between client and server (e.g. separate backchannel connection,
   pNFS, etc).  Are you sure AF_LOCAL makes sense for NFS?

2. Performance is worse due to extra proxy daemon.

If I understand correctly both Linux and nfs-utils lack NFS AF_LOCAL
support although it is present in sunrpc.  For example, today
fs/nfsd/nfsctl.c cannot add UNIX domain sockets.  Similarly, the
nfs-utils nsfd program has no command-line syntax for UNIX domain
sockets.

Funnily enough making AF_LOCAL work for NFS requires similar changes to
the patches I've posted for AF_VSOCK.  I think AF_LOCAL tunnelling is a
technically inferior solution than native AF_VSOCK support (for the
reasons mentioned above), but I appreciate that it insulates NFS from
AF_VSOCK specifics and could be used in other use cases too.

Can someone with more knowledge than myself confirm that NFS over
AF_LOCAL would actually work?  I thought the ability to exchange
addressing information across RPC was quite important for the NFS
protocol.

Stefan
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