Hey Neil, You being the architect of the systemd scribes ;-) I have a couple questions. The nfs-server service brings both the rpc.mountd and rpc.idmapd daemons up when the service is started, but only brings rpc.mountd down when the service is stopped. I'm assuming that was done because the client was using rpc.idmapd to do its id mapping, but that is no longer the case with some clients. They use the key rings via nfsidmap command to do the id mapping So I'm thinking the nfs-server service should bring both daemons up and down when the server is started and stopped since the server is the only service using the rpc.idmapd. My attempted at doing this is to change the nfs-idmap service to do the following: [Unit] Description=NFSv4 ID-name mapping service Requires=var-lib-nfs-rpc_pipefs.mount After=var-lib-nfs-rpc_pipefs.mount After=network.target PartOf=nfs-server.service PartOf=nfs-utils.service Wants=nfs-config.service After=nfs-config.service [Service] EnvironmentFile=-/run/sysconfig/nfs-utils Type=forking ExecStart=/usr/sbin/rpc.idmapd $RPCIDMAPDARGS Almost exactly what the rpc-mountd service does. Now I thought the "PartOf=nfs-server.service" would cause rpc.idmapd to come down when the server came down, but that does not seem to be the case... The only way I can get nfs-idmap service to come down is to explicitly stop it... What am I missing? Secondly, in all of the services where rpcbind is needed you reference the rpcbind.target instead of the rpcbind.service. Why is that? The reason I'm ask is, I'm seeing a problem where rpc.statd fails to start because nfs_svc_create() fails. Meaning it was unable to either create UPD/TCP sockets or the registrations to rpcbind fails. I'm thinking its the later due a race between rpcbind and statd starting. I've seen races like before in with systemd services... So I'm thinking that race would not exist if the rpc-statd service would use rpcbind.service in the "Requires=" and "After=" statements instead of rpcbind.target. Right?? tia, steved. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-nfs" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html