On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 15:38 -0500, Matt W. Benjamin wrote:
> Hi Trond,
>
> I think your point that discussion of alternative ways of doing things which might ultimately be standardized reflects lack of understanding of the concept of standardization is ... a non-sequitur.
Nobody is restricting your ability to write your own side-band protocol
or even from making proposals to the IETF. The only restriction being
imposed on you is that those won't go upstream into the Linux client
until accompanied with an API and a standards-based specification.
> I did state that the standard doesn't benefit from restricting the ability of implementations and applications from evolving new metadata conventions entirely above the file system. This claim is in no way radical, it's how everyone uses the file system already.
Neither is it clear that moving those metadata conventions into the
filesystem is particularly useful. So far, all you've done is spout
wants, and nothing about how this addresses a need.
> Since I haven't violated any rule of netiquette or convention of polite discussion generally, forgive me for not going away.
You are yammering on and on about something that you want from other
people in order to be able to bypass their standard review process for
adding new protocol features. If that epitomises polite
netiquette-friendly discussion then count me out...
> Regards,
>
> Matt
>
> ----- "Trond Myklebust" <Trond.Myklebust@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > > You've said that xattrs and named attributes are completely
> > different, but notwithstanding that, there seems to be logically quite
> > a bit of overlap. Clearly, the fact that the NFS protocol treats
> > named attributes as subfiles is a detail that the client need not
> > expose to applications. It also seems as if an xattr interface is
> > convenient for interacting with at a subset of named attributes (ones
> > with tractable length names/values). I mean, as I note, this is the
> > proplist, and that has been a very successful interface in a lot of
> > systems, going back a -long- ways.
> >
> > NO! GO AWAY!!!!
> >
> > Seriously, if you don't understand the concept of a standard, then go
> > away!
> >
> > Trond
>
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Trond Myklebust
Linux NFS client maintainer
NetApp
Trond.Myklebust@xxxxxxxxxx
www.netapp.com
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