Hello everyone, you are all CCed because you either expressed interested, are already involved with or may be affected/interested in this initiative. At the recent MIT Kerberos Conference there has been some renewed interested in a concept that has surfaced in GSSAPI related circles a few times. That of building a GSSAPI Proxy to allow separation of privileges between applications and key handling. There are various stakeholders that would like to have a solution in this areas for various reasons: == Privilege separation == One of the needs that GSSAPI Proxy is able to address is separation of privileges. Initiating/accepting is delegated to the GSSAPI Proxy so that applications do not have direct access to the key material. This helps to avoid exposing keys when network facing applications are compromised. On some OSs Mandatory Access Control will help keep those keys secure if they are not directly accessible to the applications. == Kernel Network File Systems == There are a number of file systems implemented in kernel and especially NFS that uses gss-krb5 to negotiate security over the network. Most implementations use a gssd daemon in user space to handle accepting/initiating. In particular in the Linux kernel a few people feel that the current implementation is sub-optimal and would like to improve it. The functionality needed by the kernel is pretty similar to that needed to proxy gssapi for other apps, so it seem like a good idea to unify these implementations, or at least use a common protocol so that the same implementation can be used if OS vendors/Integrators want to do so. == PAC/PAD verification == When using Kerberos applications can receive tickets that contain a MS-PAC or (in future) a PAD*. In some scenarios we want to use the PAC to synthesize a user on the target system so that it can create and access files and other resources. A PAC/PAD is very useful for file servers for example because it can standardize how identities are retrieved w/o forcing file server developers to mess with protocols like LDAP and other amenities. These structures are signed with service keys, the same keys apps have currently access to. If key material is left accessible to apps it means a compromised application could create a PAC/PAD to attempt privilege escalation by injecting this data in the system. Although these structures are also signed with a KDC key, it would be very expensive to require a roundtrip to the KDC to ask for verification. It would also make the server reliant on KDC availability which is normally not required for kerberos based auth after the ticket is acquired. == SSH credential forwarding ? == Currently, when using GSSAPI in conjunction with SSH, credentials are made available to the remote end by simply copying them over and thus giving the remote host direct access to the user creds. Quite a few people would prefer to use a ssh-agent like approach instead where credentials stay always on the local machine and context establishment is proxied over the ssh channel. Although this initiative will *not* address this feature, we'd like to build the protocol in such a way that it will become easy to implement this mechanism in the future. ==== Current status ==== I am trying to push this initiative and I am organizing and contacting people to enter the planning phase. I have received initial availability from some stakeholders in helping to shape this initiative from protocol design to transport/interface (esp. against the kernel) design, implementation, testing, etc.. Because there are many parties involved I would like to try to keep this discussion focused as much as possible to the proxy functionality. I see this effort involving mainly 3 areas at this stage. 1) design of the protocol I this area I had some preliminary discussion with some of the people that are interested in the effort. Due to availability in both kernel and user space implementation is seem like an ONC/RPC - XDR based protocol is the best common denominator and easily implementable by all parties. Nothing is set in stone yet, any idea is welcome. 2) kernel and user space interfaces to the GSSAPI Proxy Daemon For user-space to user-space communication is seem clear that a unix socket is probably the more natural transport to use. From the Linux kernel side deciding on the right upcall mechanism seem not as straight forward. One option seem to be the netlink or rather the connector interface that is layered on top of it. More discussion is definitely needed on this front. 3) Changes to libgssapi to implement transparent proxying for user space applications Some high level ideas have been floating around on where to hook this proxy layer in libgssapi but it is all in the air for now. Ideas here are very welcome. Additional areas involve the design of the daemon in terms of scalability, access control and various security considerations, portability (?), etc... Any feedback is welcome esp. if you have valuable ideas on the design issues. We will probably keep cross-posting a bit so that we can involve all possible stakeholders, going forward we'll find a way to refocus discussions around a few forums depending on what part of the problem people is working on. If you know other people/lists that should be involved, please feel free to forward and include them in the discussion. Regards, Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-nfs" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html