Ok. I've been trying to figure out a performance problem with some of my production servers (I'm just not able to get enough simultaneous I/Os queued up to get decent performance out of my disk subsystem), and I have run into something that strikes me as odd. For reference, the code I'm looking at is from a 2.6.35.22 kernel, and I know there have been some relevant changes since then but I am not seeing the discussion of this in the mailing list archives. If I have to figure out the new source control system to look at the head-of-line code, say so. in sunrpc/svc_xprt.c:svc_recv() I find this: /* now allocate needed pages. If we get a failure, sleep briefly */ 620 pages = (serv->sv_max_mesg + PAGE_SIZE) / PAGE_SIZE; 621 for (i = 0; i < pages ; i++) 622 while (rqstp->rq_pages[i] == NULL) { 623 struct page *p = alloc_page(GFP_KERNEL); 624 if (!p) { 625 set_current_state(TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE); 626 if (signalled() || kthread_should_stop()) { 627 set_current_state(TASK_RUNNING); 628 return -EINTR; 629 } 630 schedule_timeout(msecs_to_jiffies(500)); 631 } 632 rqstp->rq_pages[i] = p; 633 } First of all, 500ms is a long way from "brief". Second, it seems like a really bad idea to sleep while holding a contended resource. Shouldn't you drop those pages before sleeping? It's been a long time since I knew anything about the Linux vm system, but presumably the reason that alloc_page has failed is because there aren't 26 pages available*. So now I'm going to sleep while holding, say, the last 24 free pages? This looks like deadlock city, except for the valiant efforts by the vm system to keep freeing pages, and other adjustments to vary sv_max_mesg depending on the number of threads which mean that in practice, deadlock is unlikely. But figuring out the interaction of all those other systems requires global knowledge, which is asking for trouble in the long run. And there are intermediate degrees of cascading interlocked interdependencies that result in poor performance which aren't technically a complete deadlock. (* I'm going to have to do some more digging here, because in my specific situation, vmstat generally reports between 100M and 600M free, so I'm admittedly not clear on why alloc_page is failing me, unless there is a difference between "free" and "available for nfsd".) And then there's this, in svc_xprt_enqueue() 360 process: 361 /* Work out whether threads are available */ 362 thread_avail = !list_empty(&pool->sp_threads); /* threads are asleep */ 363 if (pool->sp_nwaking >= SVC_MAX_WAKING) { // == 5 -lws 364 /* too many threads are runnable and trying to wake up */ 365 thread_avail = 0; 366 pool->sp_stats.overloads_avoided++; 367 } Now, the sp_nwaking counter is only decremented after that snippet of code earlier, so if I've got five threads that happen to all run into a transient problem getting the pages they need, they're going to sleep for 500 millis and -nothing- is going to happen. I see that this overloads_avoided branch disappeared in more recent kernels, was there some discussion of it that you can point me to so I don't have to rehash an old topic? I think that removing it actually increases the likelihood of deadlock. Finally, zero-copy is great, awesome, I love it. But it seems profligate to allocate an entire 26 pages for every operation when only 9% of them (at least in my workload) are writes. All the rest of the operations only need a small fraction of that to be preallocated. I don't have a concrete suggestion here, I'd have to do some tinkering with the code first. I'm just... saying. Maybe allocate two pages up front, then wait to see if the others are needed and allocate them at that time. If you're willing to sleep in svc_recv while holding lots of pages, it's no worse to sleep while holding one or two. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-nfs" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html