Hi Linus, > My point is that we have three timestamps, and > windows wants three timestamps (somebody claims that NTFS has four > timestamps, but the Windows file time access functions certainly only > shows three times, so any potential extra on-disk times have no > relevance because they are invisible to pretty much everybody). Not quite. The underlying structure available to Windows programmers is this one: typedef struct _FILE_BASIC_INFORMATION { LARGE_INTEGER CreationTime; LARGE_INTEGER LastAccessTime; LARGE_INTEGER LastWriteTime; LARGE_INTEGER ChangeTime; ULONG FileAttributes; } FILE_BASIC_INFORMATION, *PFILE_BASIC_INFORMATION; See http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff545762%28v=VS.85%29.aspx These are the definitions: CreationTime Specifies the time that the file was created. LastAccessTime Specifies the time that the file was last accessed. LastWriteTime Specifies the time that the file was last written to. ChangeTime Specifies the last time the file was changed. You are right that the more commonly used APIs (such as GetFileInformationByHandle()) omit the ChangeTime field in the return value. The ChangeTime is also not visible via the normal Windows GUI or command line tools. But there are APIs that are used by quite a few programs that do get all 4 timestamps. For example, GetFileInformationByHandleEx() returns all 4 fields. I include an example program that uses that API to show all the timestamps below. and yes, we think that real applications (such as Excel), look at these values separately. The other big difference from POSIX timestamps is that the CreationTime is settable on Windows, and some of the windows UI behaviour relies on this. Cheers, Tridge PS: Sorry for coming into this discussion so late /* show all 4 file times tridge@xxxxxxxxx, July 2010 */ #define _WIN32_WINNT 0x0600 #include <stdio.h> #include <stdlib.h> #include "windows.h" #include "winbase.h" static void FileTime(const char *fname) { HANDLE h; FILE_BASIC_INFO info; BOOL ret; h = CreateFile( fname, GENERIC_READ, FILE_SHARE_READ, NULL, OPEN_EXISTING, 0, NULL ); if (h == INVALID_HANDLE_VALUE) { printf("Unable to open %s\n", fname); exit(1); } ret = GetFileInformationByHandleEx(h, FileBasicInfo, &info, sizeof(info)); if (!ret) { printf("Unable to get file information\n"); exit(1); } printf("CreationTime: %llu\n", (unsigned long long)info.CreationTime.QuadPart); printf("LastAccessTime: %llu\n", (unsigned long long)info.LastAccessTime.QuadPart); printf("LastWriteTime: %llu\n", (unsigned long long)info.LastWriteTime.QuadPart); printf("ChangeTime: %llu\n", (unsigned long long)info.ChangeTime.QuadPart); CloseHandle(h); } int main(int argc, char* argv[]) { if (argc < 2) { printf("Usage: filetime FILENAME\n"); exit(1); } FileTime(argv[1]); return 0; } -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-nfs" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html