On Tue, Dec 05, 2023 at 04:31:51PM -0700, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 12/5/23 4:23 PM, NeilBrown wrote:
> > On Wed, 06 Dec 2023, NeilBrown wrote:
> >> On Wed, 06 Dec 2023, Jens Axboe wrote:
> >>> On 12/5/23 2:58 PM, Jens Axboe wrote:
> >>>> On 12/5/23 2:28 PM, NeilBrown wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 05 Dec 2023, Christian Brauner wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 03:09:44PM -0700, Jens Axboe wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 12/4/23 2:02 PM, NeilBrown wrote:
> >>>>>>>> It isn't clear to me what _GPL is appropriate, but maybe the rules
> >>>>>>>> changed since last I looked..... are there rules?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My reasoning was that the call is effectively part of the user-space
> >>>>>>>> ABI. A user-space process can call this trivially by invoking any
> >>>>>>>> system call. The user-space ABI is explicitly a boundary which the GPL
> >>>>>>>> does not cross. So it doesn't seem appropriate to prevent non-GPL
> >>>>>>>> kernel code from doing something that non-GPL user-space code can
> >>>>>>>> trivially do.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> By that reasoning, basically everything in the kernel should be non-GPL
> >>>>>>> marked. And while task_work can get used by the application, it happens
> >>>>>>> only indirectly or implicitly. So I don't think this reasoning is sound
> >>>>>>> at all, it's not an exported ABI or API by itself.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For me, the more core of an export it is, the stronger the reason it
> >>>>>>> should be GPL. FWIW, I don't think exporting task_work functionality is
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yeah, I'm not too fond of that part as well. I don't think we want to
> >>>>>> give modules the ability to mess with task work. This is just asking for
> >>>>>> trouble.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ok, maybe we need to reframe the problem then.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Currently fput(), and hence filp_close(), take control away from kernel
> >>>>> threads in that they cannot be sure that a "close" has actually
> >>>>> completed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is already a problem for nfsd. When renaming a file, nfsd needs to
> >>>>> ensure any cached "open" that it has on the file is closed (else when
> >>>>> re-exporting an NFS filesystem it can result in a silly-rename).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> nfsd currently handles this case by calling flush_delayed_fput(). I
> >>>>> suspect you are no more happy about exporting that than you are about
> >>>>> exporting task_work_run(), but this solution isn't actually 100%
> >>>>> reliable. If some other thread calls flush_delayed_fput() between nfsd
> >>>>> calling filp_close() and that same nfsd calling flush_delayed_fput(),
> >>>>> then the second flush can return before the first flush (in the other
> >>>>> thread) completes all the work it took on.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What we really need - both for handling renames and for avoiding
> >>>>> possible memory exhaustion - is for nfsd to be able to reliably wait for
> >>>>> any fput() that it initiated to complete.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How would you like the VFS to provide that service?
> >>>>
> >>>> Since task_work happens in the context of your task already, why not
> >>>> just have a way to get it stashed into a list when final fput is done?
> >>>> This avoids all of this "let's expose task_work" and using the task list
> >>>> for that, which seems kind of pointless as you're just going to run it
> >>>> later on manually anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>> In semi pseudo code:
> >>>>
> >>>> bool fput_put_ref(struct file *file)
> >>>> {
> >>>> return atomic_dec_and_test(&file->f_count);
> >>>> }
> >>>>
> >>>> void fput(struct file *file)
> >>>> {
> >>>> if (fput_put_ref(file)) {
> >>>> ...
> >>>> }
> >>>> }
> >>>>
> >>>> and then your nfsd_file_free() could do:
> >>>>
> >>>> ret = filp_flush(file, id);
> >>>> if (fput_put_ref(file))
> >>>> llist_add(&file->f_llist, &l->to_free_llist);
> >>>>
> >>>> or something like that, where l->to_free_llist is where ever you'd
> >>>> otherwise punt the actual freeing to.
> >>>
> >>> Should probably have the put_ref or whatever helper also init the
> >>> task_work, and then reuse the list in the callback_head there. Then
> >>> whoever flushes it has to call ->func() and avoid exposing ____fput() to
> >>> random users. But you get the idea.
> >>
> >> Interesting ideas - thanks.
> >>
> >> So maybe the new API would be
> >>
> >> fput_queued(struct file *f, struct llist_head *q)
> >> and
> >> flush_fput_queue(struct llist_head *q)
> >>
> >> with the meaning being that fput_queued() is just like fput() except
> >> that any file needing __fput() is added to the 'q'; and that
> >> flush_fput_queue() calls __fput() on any files in 'q'.
> >>
> >> So to close a file nfsd would:
> >>
> >> fget(f);
> >> flip_close(f);
> >> fput_queued(f, &my_queue);
> >>
> >> though possibly we could have a
> >> filp_close_queued(f, q)
> >> as well.
> >>
> >> I'll try that out - but am happy to hear alternate suggestions for names :-)
> >>
> >
> > Actually .... I'm beginning to wonder if we should just use
> > __fput_sync() in nfsd.
> > It has a big warning about not doing that blindly, but the detail in the
> > warning doesn't seem to apply to nfsd...
>
> If you can do it from the context where you do the filp_close() right
> now, then yeah there's no reason to over-complicate this at all... FWIW,
As long as nfsd doesn't care that it may get stuck on umount or
->release...
> the reason task_work exists is just to ensure a clean context to perform
> these operations from the task itself. The more I think about it, it
> doesn't make a lot of sense to utilize it for this purpose, which is
> where my alternate suggestion came from. But if you can just call it
> directly, then that makes everything much easier.
And for better or worse we already expose __fput_sync(). We've recently
switched close(2) over to it as well as it was needlessly punting to
task work.
