JL> Which is, IMO, a bug, albeit a kind of specification bug, given the JL> way the drivers tend to be written. An Ethernet link can be up or JL> down independent of the logical up/down state of the interface, and JL> with most drivers the link state is hidden as long as the interface JL> is logically down. Well, downing an interface is actually used to power down part/most of the NIC so you definitely should not expect link state knowledge from a downed interface. UP & no addr assigned is the state that you probably want for link state monitoring etc. -- Meelis Roos (mroos@linux.ee) - : send the line "unsubscribe linux-net" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html