So, verify_area and copy_from_user in some cases will both end up using access_ok, why does one work better than the other? Also, a similar situation occurs with the sigaction call. I've noticed signal.c is using verify_area, should that be changed to use copy_from_user / copy_to_user? Thanks, - Robbie Robert V. Williamson Linux Test Project IBM Linux Technology Center Phone: (512) 838-9295 T/L: 638-9295 http://ltp.sourceforge.net - : send the line "unsubscribe linux-net" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html