All, Is it possible to have a virtual net device (ie like shaper) operate over a real device without the real device having an IP address? ie lets say that I have an interface (eth0) and I would like to write a shaper like virtual device (veth0) that manipulates that packets as they flow thru ppp0. The normal config (as I understand it) would be: eth0(192.168.2.1) <---- veth0(192.168.2.2) and that if I want packets to flow thru vppp0 I have to setup a seperate route. What I would like to do however, is to set it up more like this: eth0(up but no address) <----- veth0(192.168.2.1) Is this even possible? I have coded an example of the first for a simple tunnel like application but it would be ver fortuitous if I could use the latter method and save the ip address. Thanks in advance, Jason Shiffer jshiffer@zerotao.org - : send the line "unsubscribe linux-net" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org