On Tue, May 02, 2023 at 11:11:58AM -0700, Lucas De Marchi wrote: > Based on the above and my previous reply, I think we should have > something more explicit about the order rather than relying on the > toolchain behavior. You can open code ELF sections and provide SORT() but you can also use helpers for all this. Long ago I provided low level ELF helpers to provide the ability to easily sort through data / code using linker-tables [0], to help with ELF section with explicit ordering, perhaps this could be leveraged? I *think* for instance, one could do, using the built-in firmware conversion as a slightly relateed example [1], provide a firmware helper for drivers which uses something like DECLARE_FIRMWARE_TABLE(acme_gpu_fw), then that is declared as the ELF table for acme_gpu_fw, the firmware API could then get the hint to use that table for iterating over with linktable_for_each(fw, acme_gpu_fw). One would not be using the linker table for the actual firmware but instead for the firmware odering. The firmware loader could be extended with something like #define DECLARE_FIRMWARE_TABLE(fw_table) DECLARE_LINKTABLE_RO(struct fw_foo, fw_table) struct fw_foo { const char *opt_subfamily; }; #define FW_NAME_ORDERED(__level, __family, __sub_family) \ static LINKTABLE_INIT_DATA(fw_foo, __level) \ __fw_ordered_##__family = { \ opt_subfamily = sub_family, \ }; Then firmware could would use FW_NAME_ORDERED(01, acme_gpu_fw, coyote); And helpers can use it to look for the firmware an firmare API call. As to why linker-tables never got upstream? It promised / documented too much, we need to just make the API conversion smooth and target that. The ordering is a secondary win. The fact that we can simplify init levels etc, is more futuristic and should only be documented once we get there. [0] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/mcgrof/linux-next.git/log/?h=20170620-linker-tables-v8 [1] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/mcgrof/linux-next.git/commit/?h=20170620-linker-tables-v8&id=162698d2f1a2406c6a7a4d39f13113ca789fd2ec Luis