On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 05:26:30PM +0000, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 05:32:34PM +0100, Oleksij Rempel wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 03:56:19PM +0000, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 03:49:46PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote: > > > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 03:27:48PM +0000, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 03:21:40PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This came out of some discussions about trying to handle emergency power > > > > > > failure notifications. > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't know what that means. Are you saying that the > > > > > kernel is now going to try to provide a hard guarantee that some devices > > > > > are going to be shut down in X number of seconds when asked? If so, why > > > > > not do this in userspace? > > > > > > > > No, it was initially (or when I initially saw it anyway) handling of > > > > notifications from regulators that they're in trouble and we have some > > > > small amount of time to do anything we might want to do about it before > > > > we expire. > > > > > > So we are going to guarantee a "time" in which we are going to do > > > something? Again, if that's required, why not do it in userspace using > > > a RT kernel? > > > > For the HW in question I have only 100ms time before power loss. By > > doing it over use space some we will have even less time to react. > > Why can't userspace react that fast? Why will the kernel be somehow > faster? Speed should be the same, just get the "power is cut" signal > and have userspace flush and unmount the disk before power is gone. Why > can the kernel do this any differently? > > > In fact, this is not a new requirement. It exist on different flavors of > > automotive Linux for about 10 years. Linux in cars should be able to > > handle voltage drops for example on ignition and so on. The only new thing is > > the attempt to mainline it. > > But your patch is not guaranteeing anything, it's just doing a "I want > this done before the other devices are handled", that's it. There is no > chance that 100ms is going to be a requirement, or that some other > device type is not going to come along and demand to be ahead of your > device in the list. > > So you are going to have a constant fight among device types over the > years, and people complaining that the kernel is now somehow going to > guarantee that a device is shutdown in a set amount of time, which > again, the kernel can not guarantee here. > > This might work as a one-off for a specific hardware platform, which is > odd, but not anything you really should be adding for anyone else to use > here as your reasoning for it does not reflect what the code does. I see. Good point. In my case umount is not needed, there is not enough time to write down the data. We should send a shutdown command to the eMMC ASAP. @Ulf, are there a way request mmc shutdown from user space? If I see it correctly, sysfs-devices-power-control support only "auto" and "on". Unbinding the module will not execute MMC shutdown notification. If user space is the way to go, do sysfs-devices-power-control "off" command will be acceptable? The other option I have is to add a regulator event handler to the MMC framework and do shutdown notification on under-voltage event. Are there other options? Regards, Oleksij -- Pengutronix e.K. | | Steuerwalder Str. 21 | http://www.pengutronix.de/ | 31137 Hildesheim, Germany | Phone: +49-5121-206917-0 | Amtsgericht Hildesheim, HRA 2686 | Fax: +49-5121-206917-5555 |
