On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 5:13 PM, <merez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Wed, July 18, 2012 12:26 am, Chris Ball wrote:
>> Hi, [removing Jens and the documentation list, since now we're
>> talking about the MMC side only]
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18 2012, merez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>> Is there anything else that holds this patch from being pushed to
> mmc-next?
>>
>> Yes, I'm still uncomfortable with the write packing patchsets for a
> couple of reasons, and I suspect that the sum of those reasons means that
> we should probably plan on holding off merging it until after 3.6.
>>
>> Here are the open issues; please correct any misunderstandings:
>>
>> With Seungwon's patchset ("Support packed write command"):
>>
>> * I still don't have a good set of representative benchmarks showing
>> what kind of performance changes come with this patchset. It seems
> like we've had a small amount of testing on one controller/eMMC part combo
> from Seungwon, and an entirely different test from Maya, and the results
> aren't documented fully anywhere to the level of describing what the
> hardware was, what the test was, and what the results were before and
> after the patchset.
>
> Currently, there is only one card vendor that supports packed commands.
> Following are our sequential write (LMDD) test results on 2 of our targets
> (in MB/s):
> No packing packing
> Target 1 (SDR 50MHz) 15 25
> Target 2 (DDR 50MHz) 20 30
>
>>
>> With the reads-during-writes regression:
>>
>> * Venkat still has open questions about the nature of the read
>> regression, and thinks we should understand it with blktrace before
> trying to fix it. Maya has a theory about writes overwhelming reads, but
> Venkat doesn't understand why this would explain the observed
> bandwidth drop.
>
> The degradation of read due to writes is not a new behavior and exists
> also without the write packing feature (which only increases the
> degradation). Our investigation of this phenomenon led us to the
> Conclusion that a new scheduling policy should be used for mobile devices,
> but this is not related to the current discussion of the write packing
> feature.
>
> The write packing feature increases the degradation of read due to write
> since it allows the MMC to fetch many write requests in a row, instead of
> fetching only one at a time. Therefore some of the read requests will
> have to wait for the completion of more write requests before they can be
> issued.
I am a bit puzzled by this claim. One thing I checked carefully when
reviewing write packing patches from SJeon was that the code didn't
plough through a mixed list of reads and writes and selected only
writes.
This section of the code in "mmc_blk_prep_packed_list()", from v8 patchset..
<Quote>
+ if (rq_data_dir(cur) != rq_data_dir(next)) {
+ put_back = 1;
+ break;
+ }
</Quote>
means that once a read is encountered in the middle of write packing,
the packing is stopped at that point and it is executed. Then the next
blk_fetch_request should get the next read and continue as before.
IOW, the ordering of reads and writes is _not_ altered when using
packed commands.
For example if there were 5 write requests, followed by 1 read,
followed by 5 more write requests in the request_queue, the first 5
writes will be executed as one "packed command", then the read will be
executed, and then the remaining 5 writes will be executed as one
"packed command". So the read does not have to wait any more than it
waited before (packing feature)
And I requested blktrace to confirm that this is indeed the behaviour.
Your rest of the arguments anyway depend on this assertion, so can you
please clarify this.
>
> To overcome this behavior, the solution would be to stop the write packing
> when a read request is fetched, and this is the algorithm suggested by the
> write packing control.
>
> Let's also keep in mind that lmdd benchmarking doesn't fully reflect the
> real life in which there are not many scenarios that cause massive read
> and write operations. In our user-common-scenarios tests we saw that in
> many cases the write packing decreases the read latency. It can happen in
> cases where the same amount of write requests is fetched with and without
> packing. In such a case the write packing decreases the transfer time of
> the write requests and causes the read request to wait for a shorter time.
>
>>
>> With Maya's patchset ("write packing control"):
>>
>> * Venkat thinks that HPI should be used, and the number-of-requests
>> metric is too coarse, and it doesn't let you disable packing at the
> right time, and you're essentially implementing a new I/O scheduler inside
> the MMC subsystem without understanding the root cause for why that's
> necessary.
>
> According to our measurements the stop transmission (CMD12) + HPI is a
> heavy operation that may take up to several milliseconds. Therefore, a
> massive usage of HPI can cause a degradation of performance.
> In addition, it doesn’t provide a complete solution for read during write
> since it doesn’t solve the problem of “what to do with the interrupted
> write request remainder?”. That is, a common interrupting read request
> will usually be followed by another one. If we just continue to write the
> interrupted write request remainder we will probably get another HPI due
> to the second read request, so eventually we may end up with lots of HPIs
> and write retries. A complete solution will be: stop the current write,
> change packing mode to non-packing, serve the read request, push back the
> write remainders to the block I/O scheduler and let him schedule them
> again probably after the read burst ends (this requires block layer
> support of course).
>
> Regarding the packing control, there seem to be a confusion since the
> number-of-requests is the trigger for *enabling* the packing (after it was
> disabled), while a single read request disable packing. Therefore, the
> packing is stopped at the right time.
>
> The packing control doesn't add any scheduling policy to the MMC layer.
> The write packing feature is the one changing the scheduling policy by
> fetching many write requests in a row without a delay that allows read
> requests to come in the middle.
> By disabling the write packing, the write packing control returns the old
> scheduling policy. It causes the MMC to fetch the requests one by one,
> thus read requests are served as before.
>
> It is correct that the trigger for enabling the write packing control
> should be adjusted per platform and doesn't give a complete solution. As I
> mentioned above, the complete solution will include the usage of write
> packing control, a re-insert of the write packed to the scheduler when a
> read request is fetched and usage of HPI to stop the packing that is
> already transferred.
>
> To summarize -
> We recommend including the write packing in 3.6 due to the following reasons:
> 1. It significantly improves the write throughput
> 2. In some of the cases it even decreases the read latency
> 3. The read degradation in simultaneous read-write flows already exist,
> even without this feature
>
> As for the write packing control, it can be included in 3.6 to supply a
> partial solution for the read degradation or we can postpone it to 3.7 and
> integrate it as part of the complete solution.
>
> Thanks,
> Maya
>
>>
>> My sense is that there's no way we can solve all of these to
>> satisfaction in the next week (which is when the merge window will
> open), but that by waiting a cycle we might come up with some good answers.
>>
>> What do other people think? If you're excited about these patchsets,
> now would be a fine time to come forward with your benchmarking results
> and to help understand the reads-during-writes regression.
>>
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