On Thu 24-09-15 14:15:34, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Sep 2015, Michal Hocko wrote:
>
> > I am still not sure how you want to implement that kernel thread but I
> > am quite skeptical it would be very much useful because all the current
> > allocations which end up in the OOM killer path cannot simply back off
> > and drop the locks with the current allocator semantic. So they will
> > be sitting on top of unknown pile of locks whether you do an additional
> > reclaim (unmap the anon memory) in the direct OOM context or looping
> > in the allocator and waiting for kthread/workqueue to do its work. The
> > only argument that I can see is the stack usage but I haven't seen stack
> > overflows in the OOM path AFAIR.
> >
>
> Which locks are you specifically interested in?
Any locks they were holding before they entered the page allocator (e.g.
i_mutex is the easiest one to trigger from the userspace but mmap_sem
might be involved as well because we are doing kmalloc(GFP_KERNEL) with
mmap_sem held for write). Those would be locked until the page allocator
returns, which with the current semantic might be _never_.
> We have already discussed
> the usefulness of killing all threads on the system sharing the same ->mm,
> meaning all threads that are either holding or want to hold mm->mmap_sem
> will be able to allocate into memory reserves. Any allocator holding
> down_write(&mm->mmap_sem) should be able to allocate and drop its lock.
> (Are you concerned about MAP_POPULATE?)
I am not sure I understand. We would have to fail the request in order
the context which requested the memory could drop the lock. Are we
talking about the same thing here?
The point I've tried to made is that oom unmapper running in a detached
context (e.g. kernel thread) vs. directly in the oom context doesn't
make any difference wrt. lock because the holders of the lock would loop
inside the allocator anyway because we do not fail small allocations.
> > > Finally. Whatever we do, we need to change oom_kill_process() first,
> > > and I think we should do this regardless. The "Kill all user processes
> > > sharing victim->mm" logic looks wrong and suboptimal/overcomplicated.
> > > I'll try to make some patches tomorrow if I have time...
> >
> > That would be appreciated. I do not like that part either. At least we
> > shouldn't go over the whole list when we have a good chance that the mm
> > is not shared with other processes.
> >
>
> Heh, it's actually imperative to avoid livelocking based on mm->mmap_sem,
> it's the reason the code exists. Any optimizations to that is certainly
> welcome, but we definitely need to send SIGKILL to all threads sharing the
> mm to make forward progress, otherwise we are going back to pre-2008
> livelocks.
Yes but mm is not shared between processes most of the time. CLONE_VM
without CLONE_THREAD is more a corner case yet we have to crawl all the
task_structs for _each_ OOM killer invocation. Yes this is an extreme
slow path but still might take quite some unnecessarily time.
> > Yes I am not really sure why oom_score_adj is not per-mm and we are
> > doing that per signal struct to be honest. It doesn't make much sense as
> > the mm_struct is the primary source of information for the oom victim
> > selection. And the fact that mm might be shared withtout sharing signals
> > make it double the reason to have it in mm.
> >
> > It seems David has already tried that 2ff05b2b4eac ("oom: move oom_adj
> > value from task_struct to mm_struct") but it was later reverted by
> > 0753ba01e126 ("mm: revert "oom: move oom_adj value""). I do not agree
> > with the reasoning there because vfork is documented to have undefined
> > behavior
> > "
> > if the process created by vfork() either modifies any data other
> > than a variable of type pid_t used to store the return value
> > from vfork(), or returns from the function in which vfork() was
> > called, or calls any other function before successfully calling
> > _exit(2) or one of the exec(3) family of functions.
> > "
> > Maybe we can revisit this... It would make the whole semantic much more
> > straightforward. The current situation when you kill a task which might
> > share the mm with OOM unkillable task is clearly suboptimal and
> > confusing.
> >
>
> How do you reconcile this with commit 28b83c5193e7 ("oom: move oom_adj
> value from task_struct to signal_struct")?
If the oom_score_adj is per mm then all the threads and processes which
share the mm would share the same value. So that would naturally extend
per-process to per address space sharing tasks and would be in line with
the above commit.
> We also must appreciate the
> real-world usecase for an oom disabled process doing fork(), setting
> /proc/child/oom_score_adj to non-disabled, and exec().
I guess you meant vfork mentioned in 0753ba01e126. I am not sure this
is a valid use of set_oom_adj. As the documentation explicitly states
this leads to an undefined behavior. But if we really want to support
this particular case, and I can see a reason we would, then we can work
around it and store the oom_score_adj temporarily to task_struct and
reset it to mm_struct after exec. Not nice for sure but this is a clear
violation of the vfork semantic.
The per-mm oom_score_adj has a better semantic but if there is a general
consensus that an inconsistent value among processes sharing the same mm
is a configuration bug I can live with that. It surely makes the code
uglier and more subtly, though.
--
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
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