On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Milosz Tanski <milosz@xxxxxxxxx> writes: > >> I would like to talk about enhancing the user interfaces for doing >> async buffered disk IO for userspace applications. There's a whole >> class of distributed web applications (most new applications today) >> that would benefit from such an API. Most of them today rely on >> cobbling one together in user space using a threadpool. >> >> The current in kernel AIO interfaces that only support DIRECTIO, they >> were generally designed by and for big database vendors. The consensus >> is that the current AIO interfaces usually lead to decreased >> performance for those app. >> >> I've been developing a new read syscall that allows non-blocking >> diskio read (provided that data is in the page cache). It's analogous >> to what exists today in the network world with recvmsg with MSG_NOWAIT >> flag. The work has been previously described by LWN here: >> https://lwn.net/Articles/612483/ >> >> Previous attempts (over the last 12+ years) at non-blocking buffered >> diskio has stalled due to their complexity. I would like to talk about >> the problem, my solution, and get feedback on the course of action. > > This email seems to conflate async I/O and non-blocking I/O. Could you > please be more specific about what you're proposing to talk about? Is > it just the non-blocking read support? > > Cheers, > Jeff Jeff, I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, let me restate why we should care and why it matters. The current applications that power the lower levels of the web stacks as generally process streams of network data. Many of them (and the frameworks for building them) are structured as a large async processing loop. Disk IO a big pain point; the way are structured (threadpools for diskio) introduces additional latency. sendfile() is only helpful if you need to do additional processing (say SSL). Non-blocking diskio can help us lower the response latency in those webapps applications in the common cases (cached data, sequential scan). -- Milosz Tanski CTO 16 East 34th Street, 15th floor New York, NY 10016 p: 646-253-9055 e: milosz@xxxxxxxxx -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@xxxxxxxxx. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@xxxxxxxxx";> email@xxxxxxxxx </a>