On Tue 01-01-13 08:51:04, Wanpeng Li wrote: > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 12:30:54PM +0100, Jan Kara wrote: > >On Sun 30-12-12 14:59:50, Namjae Jeon wrote: > >> From: Namjae Jeon <namjae.jeon@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > >> Consider Process A: huge I/O on sda > >> doing heavy write operation - dirty memory becomes more > >> than dirty_background_ratio > >> on HDD - flusher thread flush-8:0 > >> > >> Consider Process B: small I/O on sdb > >> doing while [1]; read 1024K + rewrite 1024K + sleep 2sec > >> on Flash device - flusher thread flush-8:16 > >> > >> As Process A is a heavy dirtier, dirty memory becomes more > >> than dirty_background_thresh. Due to this, below check becomes > >> true(checking global_page_state in over_bground_thresh) > >> for all bdi devices(even for very small dirtied bdi - sdb): > >> > >> In this case, even small cached data on 'sdb' is forced to flush > >> and writeback cache thrashing happens. > >> > >> When we added debug prints inside above 'if' condition and ran > >> above Process A(heavy dirtier on bdi with flush-8:0) and > >> Process B(1024K frequent read/rewrite on bdi with flush-8:16) > >> we got below prints: > >> > >> [Test setup: ARM dual core CPU, 512 MB RAM] > >> > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 56064 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 56704 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 84720 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 94720 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 384 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 960 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 64 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 92160 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 256 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 768 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 64 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 256 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 320 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 0 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 92032 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 91968 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 192 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 1024 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 64 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 192 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 576 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 0 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 84352 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 192 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 512 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:16 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 0 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 92608 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 92544 KB > >> > >> As mentioned in above log, when global dirty memory > global background_thresh > >> small cached data is also forced to flush by flush-8:16. > >> > >> If removing global background_thresh checking code, we can reduce cache > >> thrashing of frequently used small data. > > It's not completely clear to me: > > Why is this a problem? Wearing of the flash? Power consumption? I'd like > >to understand this before changing the code... > > > >> And It will be great if we can reserve a portion of writeback cache using > >> min_ratio. > >> > >> After applying patch: > >> $ echo 5 > /sys/block/sdb/bdi/min_ratio > >> $ cat /sys/block/sdb/bdi/min_ratio > >> 5 > >> > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 56064 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 56704 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 84160 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 96960 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 94080 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 93120 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 93120 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 91520 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 89600 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 93696 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 93696 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 72960 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 90624 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 90624 KB > >> [over_bground_thresh]: wakeup flush-8:0 : BDI_RECLAIMABLE = 90688 KB > >> > >> As mentioned in the above logs, once cache is reserved for Process B, > >> and patch is applied there is less writeback cache thrashing on sdb > >> by frequent forced writeback by flush-8:16 in over_bground_thresh. > >> > >> After all, small cached data will be flushed by periodic writeback > >> once every dirty_writeback_interval. > > OK, in principle something like this makes sence to me. But if there are > >more BDIs which are roughly equally used, it could happen none of them are > >over threshold due to percpu counter & rounding errors. So I'd rather > >change the conditions to something like: > > reclaimable = bdi_stat(bdi, BDI_RECLAIMABLE); > > bdi_bground_thresh = bdi_dirty_limit(bdi, background_thresh); > > > > if (reclaimable > bdi_bground_thresh) > > return true; > > /* > > * If global background limit is exceeded, kick the writeback on > > * BDI if there's a reasonable amount of data to write (at least > > * 1/2 of BDI's background dirty limit). > > */ > > if (global_page_state(NR_FILE_DIRTY) + > > global_page_state(NR_UNSTABLE_NFS) > background_thresh && > > reclaimable * 2 > bdi_bground_thresh) > > return true; > > > > Hi Jan, > > If there are enough BDIs and percpu counter of each bdi roughly equally > used less than 1/2 of BDI's background dirty limit, still nothing will > be flushed even if over global background_thresh. Yes, although then the percpu counter error would have to be quite big. Anyway, we can change the last condition to: if (global_page_state(NR_FILE_DIRTY) + global_page_state(NR_UNSTABLE_NFS) > background_thresh && reclaimable * 2 + bdi_stat_error(bdi) * 2 > bdi_bground_thresh) That should be safe and for machines with resonable number of CPUs it should save the wakeup as well. Honza > >> Suggested-by: Wanpeng Li <liwanp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Signed-off-by: Namjae Jeon <namjae.jeon@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Signed-off-by: Vivek Trivedi <t.vivek@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Cc: Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@xxxxxxxxx> > >> Cc: Jan Kara <jack@xxxxxxx> > >> Cc: Dave Chinner <dchinner@xxxxxxxxxx> > >> --- > >> fs/fs-writeback.c | 4 ---- > >> 1 file changed, 4 deletions(-) > >> > >> diff --git a/fs/fs-writeback.c b/fs/fs-writeback.c > >> index 310972b..070b773 100644 > >> --- a/fs/fs-writeback.c > >> +++ b/fs/fs-writeback.c > >> @@ -756,10 +756,6 @@ static bool over_bground_thresh(struct backing_dev_info *bdi) > >> > >> global_dirty_limits(&background_thresh, &dirty_thresh); > >> > >> - if (global_page_state(NR_FILE_DIRTY) + > >> - global_page_state(NR_UNSTABLE_NFS) > background_thresh) > >> - return true; > >> - > >> if (bdi_stat(bdi, BDI_RECLAIMABLE) > > >> bdi_dirty_limit(bdi, background_thresh)) > >> return true; > >> -- > >> 1.7.9.5 > >> > >-- > >Jan Kara <jack@xxxxxxx> > >SUSE Labs, CR > > > >-- > >To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in > >the body to majordomo@xxxxxxxxx. 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