On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Glauber Costa wrote: > >> Because cpusets only deal with memory placement, not memory usage. > > > > The set of nodes that a thread is allowed to allocate from may face memory > > pressure up to and including oom while the rest of the system may have a > > ton of free memory. Your solution is to compile and mount memcg if you > > want notifications of memory pressure on those nodes. Others in this > > thread have already said they don't want to rely on memcg for any of this > > and, as Anton showed, this can be tied directly into the VM without any > > help from memcg as it sits today. So why implement a simple and clean > > mempressure cgroup that can be used alone or co-existing with either memcg > > or cpusets? > > > > Forgot this one: > > Because there is a huge ongoing work going on by Tejun aiming at > reducing the effects of orthogonal hierarchy. There are many controllers > today that are "close enough" to each other (cpu, cpuacct; net_prio, > net_cls), and in practice, it brought more problems than it solved. > I'm very happy that Tejun is working on that, but I don't see how it's relevant here: I'm referring to users who are not using memcg specifically. This is what others brought up earlier in the thread: they do not want to be required to use memcg for this functionality. There are users of cpusets today that do not enable nor comount memcg. I argue that a mempressure cgroup allows them this functionality without the memory footprint of memcg (not only in text, but requiring page_cgroup). Additionally, there are probably users who do not want either cpusets or memcg and want notifications from mempressure at a global level. Users who care so much about the memory pressure of their systems probably have strict footprint requirements, it would be a complete shame to require a semi-tractor trailer when all I want is a compact car. > So yes, *maybe* mempressure is the answer, but it need to be justified > with care. Long term, I think a saner notification API for memcg will > lead us to a better and brighter future. > You can easily comount mempressure with your memcg, this is not anything new. > There is also yet another aspect: This scheme works well for global > notifications. If we would always want this to be global, this would > work neatly. But as already mentioned in this thread, at some point > we'll want this to work for a group of processes as well. At that point, > you'll have to count how much memory is being used, so you can determine > whether or not pressure is going on. You will, then, have to redo all > the work memcg already does. > Anton can correct me if I'm wrong, but I certainly don't think this is where mempressure is headed: I don't think any accounting needs to be done and, if it is, it's a design issue that should be addressed now rather than later. I believe notifications should occur on current's mempressure cgroup depending on its level of reclaim: nobody cares if your memcg has a limit of 64GB when you only have 32GB of RAM, we'll want the notification. -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@xxxxxxxxx. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@xxxxxxxxx";> email@xxxxxxxxx </a>