On Mon, Nov 11, 2024 at 11:05 PM David Hildenbrand <david@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On 11.11.24 15:28, Yafang Shao wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2024 at 6:33 PM David Hildenbrand <david@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 08.11.24 15:17, Yafang Shao wrote:
> >>> When testing large folio support with XFS on our servers, we observed that
> >>> only a few large folios are mapped when reading large files via mmap.
> >>> After a thorough analysis, I identified it was caused by the
> >>> `/sys/block/*/queue/read_ahead_kb` setting. On our test servers, this
> >>> parameter is set to 128KB. After I tune it to 2MB, the large folio can
> >>> work as expected. However, I believe the large folio behavior should not be
> >>> dependent on the value of read_ahead_kb. It would be more robust if the
> >>> kernel can automatically adopt to it.
> >>
> >> Now I am extremely confused.
> >>
> >> Documentation/ABI/stable/sysfs-block:
> >>
> >> "[RW] Maximum number of kilobytes to read-ahead for filesystems on this
> >> block device."
> >>
> >>
> >> So, with your patch, will we also be changing the readahead size to
> >> exceed that, or simply allocate larger folios and not exceeding the
> >> readahead size (e.g., leaving them partially non-filled)?
> >
> > Exceeding the readahead size for the MADV_HUGEPAGE case is
> > straightforward; this is what the current patch accomplishes.
> >
>
> Okay, so this only applies with MADV_HUGEPAGE I assume. Likely we should
> also make that clearer in the subject.
>
> mm/readahead: allow exceeding configured read_ahead_kb with MADV_HUGEPAGE
>
>
> If this is really a fix, especially one that deserves CC-stable, I
> cannot tell. Willy is the obvious expert :)
>
> >>
> >> If you're also changing the readahead behavior to exceed the
> >> configuration parameter it would sound to me like "I am pushing the
> >> brake pedal and my care brakes; fix the brakes to adopt whether to brake
> >> automatically" :)
> >>
> >> Likely I am missing something here, and how the read_ahead_kb parameter
> >> is used after your patch.
> >
> > The read_ahead_kb parameter continues to function for
> > non-MADV_HUGEPAGE scenarios, whereas special handling is required for
> > the MADV_HUGEPAGE case. It appears that we ought to update the
> > Documentation/ABI/stable/sysfs-block to reflect the changes related to
> > large folios, correct?
>
> Yes, how it related to MADV_HUGEPAGE. I would assume that it would get
> ignored, but ...
>
> ... staring at get_next_ra_size(), it's not quite ignored, because we
> still us it as a baseline to detect how much we want to bump up the
> limit when the requested size is small? (*2 vs *4 etc) :/
>
> So the semantics are really starting to get weird, unless I am missing
> something important.
>
> [...]
>
> > Perhaps a more straightforward solution would be to implement it
> > directly at the callsite, as demonstrated below?
>
> Likely something into this direction might be better, but Willy is the
> expert that code.
>
> >
> > diff --git a/mm/readahead.c b/mm/readahead.c
> > index 3dc6c7a128dd..187efae95b02 100644
> > --- a/mm/readahead.c
> > +++ b/mm/readahead.c
> > @@ -642,7 +642,11 @@ void page_cache_async_ra(struct readahead_control *ractl,
> > 1UL << order);
> > if (index == expected) {
> > ra->start += ra->size;
> > - ra->size = get_next_ra_size(ra, max_pages);
> > + /*
> > + * Allow the actual size to exceed the readahead window for a
> > + * large folio.
>
> "a large folio" -> "with MADV_HUGEPAGE" ? Or can this be hit on
> different paths that are not covered in the patch description?
This branch may also be triggered by other large folios that are not
necessarily order-9. Therefore, I’ve referred to it as a 'large folio'
rather than associating it specifically with MADV_HUGEPAGE. If we were
to handle only the MADV_HUGEPAGE case, we would proceed as outlined in
the initial RFC patch[0]. However, following Willy's recommendation, I
implemented it this way, as he likely has a deeper understanding of
the intended behavior.
[0]. https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20241104143015.34684-1-laoar.shao@xxxxxxxxx/
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Regards
Yafang
