Re: [PATCH v1 1/3] mm/gup: consistently name GUP-fast functions

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Hmm, so when I enable 2M hugetlb I found ./cow is even failing on x86.

    # ./cow  | grep -B1 "not ok"
    # [RUN] vmsplice() + unmap in child ... with hugetlb (2048 kB)
    not ok 161 No leak from parent into child
    --
    # [RUN] vmsplice() + unmap in child with mprotect() optimization ... with hugetlb (2048 kB)
    not ok 215 No leak from parent into child
    --
    # [RUN] vmsplice() before fork(), unmap in parent after fork() ... with hugetlb (2048 kB)
    not ok 269 No leak from child into parent
    --
    # [RUN] vmsplice() + unmap in parent after fork() ... with hugetlb (2048 kB)
    not ok 323 No leak from child into parent

And it looks like it was always failing.. perhaps since the start?  We

Yes!

commit 7dad331be7816103eba8c12caeb88fbd3599c0b9
Author: David Hildenbrand <david@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date:   Tue Sep 27 13:01:17 2022 +0200

     selftests/vm: anon_cow: hugetlb tests
     Let's run all existing test cases with all hugetlb sizes we're able to
     detect.
     Note that some tests cases still fail. This will, for example, be fixed
     once vmsplice properly uses FOLL_PIN instead of FOLL_GET for pinning.
     With 2 MiB and 1 GiB hugetlb on x86_64, the expected failures are:
      # [RUN] vmsplice() + unmap in child ... with hugetlb (2048 kB)
      not ok 23 No leak from parent into child
      # [RUN] vmsplice() + unmap in child ... with hugetlb (1048576 kB)
      not ok 24 No leak from parent into child
      # [RUN] vmsplice() before fork(), unmap in parent after fork() ... with hugetlb (2048 kB)
      not ok 35 No leak from child into parent
      # [RUN] vmsplice() before fork(), unmap in parent after fork() ... with hugetlb (1048576 kB)
      not ok 36 No leak from child into parent
      # [RUN] vmsplice() + unmap in parent after fork() ... with hugetlb (2048 kB)
      not ok 47 No leak from child into parent
      # [RUN] vmsplice() + unmap in parent after fork() ... with hugetlb (1048576 kB)
      not ok 48 No leak from child into parent

As it keeps confusing people (until somebody cares enough to fix vmsplice), I already
thought about just disabling the test and adding a comment why it happens and
why nobody cares.

I think we should, and when doing so maybe add a rich comment in
hugetlb_wp() too explaining everything?

Likely yes. Let me think of something.



didn't do the same on hugetlb v.s. normal anon from that regard on the
vmsplice() fix.

I drafted a patch to allow refcount>1 detection as the same, then all tests
pass for me, as below.

David, I'd like to double check with you before I post anything: is that
your intention to do so when working on the R/O pinning or not?

Here certainly the "if it's easy it would already have done" principle applies. :)

The issue is the following: hugetlb pages are scarce resources that cannot usually
be overcommitted. For ordinary memory, we don't care if we COW in some corner case
because there is an unexpected reference. You temporarily consume an additional page
that gets freed as soon as the unexpected reference is dropped.

For hugetlb, it is problematic. Assume you have reserved a single 1 GiB hugetlb page
and your process uses that in a MAP_PRIVATE mapping. Then it calls fork() and the
child quits immediately.

If you decide to COW, you would need a second hugetlb page, which we don't have, so
you have to crash the program.

And in hugetlb it's extremely easy to not get folio_ref_count() == 1:

hugetlb_fault() will do a folio_get(folio) before calling hugetlb_wp()!

... so you essentially always copy.

Hmm yes there's one extra refcount. I think this is all fine, we can simply
take all of them into account when making a CoW decision.  However crashing
an userspace can be a problem for sure.

Right, and a simple reference from page migration or some other PFN walker would be sufficient for that.

I did not dare being responsible for that, even though races are rare :)

The vmsplice leak is not worth that: hugetlb with MAP_PRIVATE to COW-share data between processes with different privilege levels is not really common.




At that point I walked away from that, letting vmsplice() be fixed at some point. Dave
Howells was close at some point IIRC ...

I had some ideas about retrying until the other reference is gone (which cannot be a
longterm GUP pin), but as vmsplice essentially does without FOLL_PIN|FOLL_LONGTERM,
it's quit hopeless to resolve that as long as vmsplice holds longterm references the wrong
way.

---

One could argue that fork() with hugetlb and MAP_PRIVATE is stupid and fragile: assume
your child MM is torn down deferred, and will unmap the hugetlb page deferred. Or assume
you access the page concurrently with fork(). You'd have to COW and crash the program.
BUT, there is a horribly ugly hack in hugetlb COW code where you *steal* the page form
the child program and crash your child. I'm not making that up, it's horrible.

I didn't notice that code before; doesn't sound like a very responsible
parent..

Looks like either there come a hugetlb guru who can make a decision to
break hugetlb ABI at some point, knowing that nobody will really get
affected by it, or that's the uncharted area whoever needs to introduce
hugetlb v2.

I raised this topic in the past, and IMHO we either (a) never should have added COW support; or (b) added COW support by using ordinary anonymous memory (hey, partial mappings of hugetlb pages! ;) ).

After all, COW is an optimization to speed up fork and defer copying. It relies on memory overcommit, but that doesn't really apply to hugetlb, so we fake it ...

One easy ABI break I had in mind was to simply *not* allow COW-sharing of anon hugetlb folios; for example, simply don't copy the page into the child. Chances are there are not really a lot of child processes that would fail ... but likely we would break *something*. So there is no easy way out :(


--
Cheers,

David / dhildenb





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