Re: [PATCH RFC net-next/mm V3 1/2] page_pool: Remove workqueue in new shutdown scheme

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On 03/05/2023 13.18, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
Jakub Kicinski <kuba@xxxxxxxxxx> writes:

On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 18:16:19 +0200 Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
This removes the workqueue scheme that periodically tests when
inflight reach zero such that page_pool memory can be freed.

This change adds code to fast-path free checking for a shutdown flags
bit after returning PP pages.

We can remove the warning without removing the entire delayed freeing
scheme. I definitely like the SHUTDOWN flag and patch 2 but I'm a bit
less clear on why the complexity of datapath freeing is justified.
Can you explain?

You mean just let the workqueue keep rescheduling itself every minute
for the (potentially) hours that skbs will stick around? Seems a bit
wasteful, doesn't it? :)

I agree that this workqueue that keeps rescheduling is wasteful.
It actually reschedules every second, even more wasteful.
NIC drivers will have many HW RX-queues, with separate PP instances, that each can start a workqueue that resched every sec.

Eric have convinced me that SKBs can "stick around" for longer than the
assumptions in PP.  The old PP assumptions came from XDP-return path.
It is time to cleanup.


We did see an issue where creating and tearing down lots of page pools
in a short period of time caused significant slowdowns due to the
workqueue mechanism. Lots being "thousands per second". This is possible
using the live packet mode of bpf_prog_run() for XDP, which will setup
and destroy a page pool for each syscall...

Yes, the XDP live packet mode of bpf_prog_run is IMHO abusing the
page_pool API.  We should fix that somehow, at least the case where live
packet mode is only injecting a single packet, but still creates a PP
instance. The PP in live packet mode IMHO only makes sense when
repeatedly sending packets that gets recycles and are pre-inited by PP.

This use of PP does exemplify why is it problematic to keep the workqueue.

I have considered (and could be convinced) delaying the free via
call_rcu, but it also create an unfortunate backlog of work in the case
of live packet mode of bpf_prog_run.

--Jesper




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