Hello, Fengguang. On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 09:34:41PM +0800, Fengguang Wu wrote: > > Yup. This just shows that you have to have per-cgroup dirty limits. Once > > you have those, things start working again. > > Right. I think Tejun was more of less aware of this. I'm fairly sure I'm on the "less" side of it. > I was rather upset by this per-memcg dirty_limit idea indeed. I never > expect it to work well when used extensively. My plan was to set the > default memcg dirty_limit high enough, so that it's not hit in normal. > Then Tejun came and proposed to (mis-)use dirty_limit as the way to > convert the dirty pages' backpressure into real dirty throttling rate. > No, that's just crazy idea! I'll tell you what's crazy. We're not gonna cut three more kernel releases and then change jobs. Some of the stuff we put in the kernel ends up staying there for over a decade. While ignoring fundamental designs and violating layers may look like rendering a quick solution. They tend to come back and bite our collective asses. Ask Vivek. The iosched / blkcg API was messed up to the extent that bugs were so difficult to track down and it was nearly impossible to add new features, let alone new blkcg policy or elevator and people did suffer for that for long time. I ended up cleaning up the mess. It took me longer than three months and even then we have to carry on with a lot of ugly stuff for compatibility. Unfortunately, your proposed solution is far worse than blkcg was or ever could be. It's not even contained in a single subsystem and it's not even clear what it achieves. Neither weight or hard limit can be properly enforced without another layer of controlling at the block layer (some use cases do expect strict enforcement) and we're baking assumptions about use cases, interfaces and underlying hardware across multiple subsystems (some ssds work fine with per-iops switching). For your suggested solution, the moment it's best fit is now and it'll be a long painful way down until someone snaps and reimplements the whole thing. The kernel is larger than balance_dirty_pages() or writeback. Each subsystem should do what it's supposed to do. Let's solve problems where they belong and pay overheads where they're due. Let's not contort the whole stack for the short term goal of shoving writeback support into the existing, still-developing, blkcg cfq proportional IO implementation. Because that's pure insanity. Thanks. -- tejun -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@xxxxxxxxx. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Fight unfair telecom internet charges in Canada: sign http://stopthemeter.ca/ Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@xxxxxxxxx";> email@xxxxxxxxx </a>