Re: [RFC PATCH] mm: Introduce new MADV_NOMOVABLE behavior

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On 10/17/2022 4:41 PM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
On 17.10.22 09:32, Baolin Wang wrote:
When creating a virtual machine, we will use memfd_create() to get
a file descriptor which can be used to create share memory mappings
using the mmap function, meanwhile the mmap() will set the MAP_POPULATE
flag to allocate physical pages for the virtual machine.

When allocating physical pages for the guest, the host can fallback to
allocate some CMA pages for the guest when over half of the zone's free
memory is in the CMA area.

In guest os, when the application wants to do some data transaction with
DMA, our QEMU will call VFIO_IOMMU_MAP_DMA ioctl to do longterm-pin and
create IOMMU mappings for the DMA pages. However, when calling
VFIO_IOMMU_MAP_DMA ioctl to pin the physical pages, we found it will be
failed to longterm-pin sometimes.

After some invetigation, we found the pages used to do DMA mapping can
contain some CMA pages, and these CMA pages will cause a possible
failure of the longterm-pin, due to failed to migrate the CMA pages.
The reason of migration failure may be temporary reference count or
memory allocation failure. So that will cause the VFIO_IOMMU_MAP_DMA
ioctl returns error, which makes the application failed to start.

To fix this issue, this patch introduces a new madvise behavior, named
as MADV_NOMOVABLE, to avoid allocating CMA pages and movable pages if
the users want to do longterm-pin, which can remove the possible failure
of movable or CMA pages migration.

Sorry to say, but that sounds like a hack to work around a kernel implementation detail (how often we retry to migrate pages).

IMO, in our case one migration failure will make our application failed to start, which is not a trival problem. So mitigate the failure of migration can be important in this case.

If there are CMA/ZONE_MOVABLE issue, please fix them instead, and avoid leaking these details to user space.

Now we can not forbid the fallback to CMA allocation if there are enough free CMA in the zone, right? So adding a hint to help to diable ALLOC_CMA flag seems reasonable?

For CMA/ZONE_MOVABLE details, yes, not suitable to leak to user space. so how about rename the madvise as MADV_PINNABLE, which means we will do longterm-pin after allocation, and no CMA/ZONE_MOVABLE pages will be allocated.

Or do you have any good idea? Thanks.


ALSO, with MAP_POPULATE as described by you this madvise flag doesn't make too much sense, because it will gets et after all memory already was allocated ...

This is not a problem I think, we can change to use MADV_POPULATE_XXX to preallocate the physical pages after MADV_NOMOVABLE madvise.




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