On 8/24/22 09:30, David Hildenbrand wrote:
...
> So one idea would be to have some kind of "panic_on_warn_with_kdump" mode.
> But then, we'd actually crash+kdump even on the most harmless WARN_ON()
> conditions, because they all look alike. To compensate, we would need
> some kind of "severity" levels of a warning -- at least some kind of
> "this is harmless and we can easily recover, but please tell the
> developers" vs. "this is real bad and unexpected, capture a dump
> immediately instead of trying to recover and eventually failing miserably".
>
> But then, maybe we really want something like BUG_ON() -- let's call it
> CBUG_ON() for simplicity -- but be able to make it be usable in
> conditionals (to implement recovery code if easily possible) and make the
> runtime behavior configurable.
>
> if (CBUG_ON(whatever))
> try_to_recover()
>
> Whereby, for example, "panic_on_cbug" and "panic_on_cbug_with_kdump"
> could control the runtime behavior.
>
> But this is just a braindump and I assume people reading along have other,
> better ideas. Especially, a better name for CBUG.
>
If this direction is pursued (as opposed to just recommending the
panic_on_warn approach, which is probably viable as well, btw), then I'd
suggest this name:
PANIC_ON()
It's different than BUG_ON(), because it calls panic() instead of
immediately halting on a undefined instruction exception (yes, that's
x86-centric, I know). So at least in the better behaved cases, there is
a backtrace and a reboot, rather than a mysterious hard lockup.
As Mel points out [1], it's not always that much better. But in my
experience, this is usually a *lot* better.
It's only intended for a few very special cases. Not intended as any
sort of assert (which BUG sometimes was used for).
This forces a panic(), which is what David is looking for.
[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220816094056.x4ldzednboaln3ag@xxxxxxx/
thanks,
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John Hubbard
NVIDIA
