On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 12:32 AM David Hildenbrand <david@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > For example, a write() via /proc/self/mem to a uffd-wp-protected range has > to fail instead of silently granting write access and bypassing the > userspace fault handler. Note that FOLL_FORCE is not only used for debug > access, but also triggered by applications without debug intentions, for > example, when pinning pages via RDMA. So this made me go "Whaa?" I didn't even realize that the media drivers and rdma used FOLL_FORCE. That's just completely bogus. Why do they do that? It seems to be completely bogus, and seems to have no actual valid reason for it. Looking through the history, it goes back to the original code submission in 2006, and doesn't have a mention of why. I think the original reason was that the code didn't have pinning, so it used "do a write" as a pin mechanism - even for reads. IOW, I think the non-ptrace use of FOLL_FORCE should just be removed. Linus