On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 6:16 PM Yang Shi <shy828301@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 5:10 PM Zach O'Keefe <zokeefe@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 4:41 PM Yang Shi <shy828301@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 4:01 PM Zach O'Keefe <zokeefe@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 1:35 PM Zach O'Keefe <zokeefe@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In madvise collapse context, we optionally want to be able to ignore
> > > > > > advice from MADV_NOHUGEPAGE-marked regions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Could you please elaborate why this usecase is valid? Typically
> > > > > MADV_NOHUGEPAGE is set when the users really don't want to have THP
> > > > > for this area. So it doesn't make too much sense to ignore it IMHO.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey Yang, thanks for taking time to review and comment.
> > > >
> > > > Semantically, the way I see it, is that MADV_NOHUGEPAGE is a way for
> > > > the user to say "I don't want hugepages here", so that the kernel
> > > > knows not to do so when faulting memory, and khugepaged can stay away.
> > > > However, in MADV_COLLAPSE, the user is explicitly requesting this be
> > > > backed by hugepages - so presumably that is exactly what they want.
> > > >
> > > > IOW, if the user didn't want this memory to be backed by hugepages,
> > > > they wouldn't be MADV_COLLAPSE'ing it. If there was a range of memory
> > > > the user wanted collapsed, but that had some sub-areas marked
> > > > MADV_NOHUGEPAGE, they could always issue multiple MADV_COLLAPSE
> > > > operations around the excluded regions.
> > > >
> > > > In terms of use cases, I don't have a concrete example, but a user
> > > > could hypothetically choose to exclude regions from management from
> > > > khugepaged, but still be able to collapse the memory themselves,
> > > > when/if they deem appropriate.
> > >
> > > I see. It seems you thought MADV_COLLAPSE actually unsets
> > > VM_NOHUGEPAGE, and is kind of equal to MADV_HUGEPAGE + doing collapse
> > > right away, right? To some degree, it makes some sense.
> >
> > Currently, MADV_COLLAPSE doesn't alter the vma flags at all - it just
> > ignores VM_NOHUGEPAGE, and so it's not really the same as
> > MADV_HUGEPAGE + MADV_COLLAPSE (which would set VM_HUGEPAGE in addition
> > to clearing VM_NOHUGEPAGE). If my use case has any merit (and I'm not
> > sure it does) then we don't want to be altering the vma flags since we
> > don't want to touch khugepaged behavior.
> >
> > > If this is the
> > > behavior you'd like to achieve, I'd suggest making it more explicit,
> > > for example, setting VM_HUGEPAGE for the MADV_COLLAPSE area rather
> > > than ignore or change vm flags silently. When using madvise mode, but
> > > not having VM_HUGEPAGE set, the vma check should fail in the current
> > > code (I didn't look hard if you already covered this or not).
> > >
> >
> > You're correct, this will fail, since it's following the same
> > semantics as the fault path. I see what you're saying though; that
> > perhaps this is inconsistent with my above reasoning that "the user
> > asked to collapse this memory, and so we should do it". If so, then
> > perhaps MADV_COLLAPSE just ignores madise mode and VM_[NO]HUGEPAGE
> > entirely for the purposes of eligibility, and only uses it for the
> > purposes of determining gfp flags for compaction/reclaim. Pushing that
> > further, compaction/reclaim could entirely be specified by the user
> > using a process_madvise(2) flag (later in the series, we do something
> > like this).
>
> Anyway I think we could have two options for MADV_COLLAPSE:
>
> 1. Just treat it as a hint (nice to have, best effort). It should obey
> all the settings. Skip VM_NOHUGEPAGE vmas or vmas without VM_HUGEPAGE
> if madvise mode, etc.
>
> 2. Much stronger. It equals MADV_HUGEPAGE + synchronous collapse. It
> should set vma flags properly as I suggested.
>
> Either is fine to me. But I don't prefer something in between personally.
>
Makes sense to be consistent. Of these, #1 seems the most
straightforward to use. Doing an MADV_COLLAPSE on a VM_NOHUGEPAGE vma
seems like a corner case. The more likely scenario is MADV_COLLAPSE on
an unflagged (neither VM_HUGEPAGE or VM_NOHUGEPAGE) vma - in which
case it's less intrusive to not additionally set VM_HUGEPAGE (though
the user can always do so if they wish). It's a little more consistent
with "always" mode, where MADV_HUGEPAGE isn't necessary for
eligibility. It'll also reduce some code complexity.
I'll float one last option your way, however:
3. The collapsed region is always eligible, regardless of vma flags or
thp settings (except "never"?). For process_madvise(2), a flag will
explicitly specify defrag semantics.
This separates "async-hint" vs "sync-explicit" madvise requests.
MADV_[NO]HUGEPAGE are hints, and together with thp settings, advise
the kernel how to treat memory in the future. The kernel uses
VM_[NO]HUGEPAGE to aid with this. MADV_COLLAPSE, as an explicit
request, is free to define its own defrag semantics.
This would allow flexibility to separately define async vs sync thp
policies. For example, highly tuned userspace applications that are
sensitive to unexpected latency might want to manage their hugepages
utilization themselves, and ask khugepaged to stay away. There is no
way in "always" mode to do this without setting VM_NOHUGEPAGE.
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Add a vm_flags_ignore argument to hugepage_vma_revalidate_pmd_count()
> > > > > > which can be used to ignore vm flags used when considering thp
> > > > > > eligibility.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Zach O'Keefe <zokeefe@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > mm/khugepaged.c | 18 ++++++++++++------
> > > > > > 1 file changed, 12 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > diff --git a/mm/khugepaged.c b/mm/khugepaged.c
> > > > > > index 1d20be47bcea..ecbd3fc41c80 100644
> > > > > > --- a/mm/khugepaged.c
> > > > > > +++ b/mm/khugepaged.c
> > > > > > @@ -964,10 +964,14 @@ khugepaged_alloc_page(struct page **hpage, gfp_t gfp, int node)
> > > > > > #endif
> > > > > >
> > > > > > /*
> > > > > > - * Revalidate a vma's eligibility to collapse nr hugepages.
> > > > > > + * Revalidate a vma's eligibility to collapse nr hugepages. vm_flags_ignore
> > > > > > + * can be used to ignore certain vma_flags that would otherwise be checked -
> > > > > > + * the principal example being VM_NOHUGEPAGE which is ignored in madvise
> > > > > > + * collapse context.
> > > > > > */
> > > > > > static int hugepage_vma_revalidate_pmd_count(struct mm_struct *mm,
> > > > > > unsigned long address, int nr,
> > > > > > + unsigned long vm_flags_ignore,
> > > > > > struct vm_area_struct **vmap)
> > > > > > {
> > > > > > struct vm_area_struct *vma;
> > > > > > @@ -986,7 +990,7 @@ static int hugepage_vma_revalidate_pmd_count(struct mm_struct *mm,
> > > > > > hend = vma->vm_end & HPAGE_PMD_MASK;
> > > > > > if (address < hstart || (address + nr * HPAGE_PMD_SIZE) > hend)
> > > > > > return SCAN_ADDRESS_RANGE;
> > > > > > - if (!hugepage_vma_check(vma, vma->vm_flags))
> > > > > > + if (!hugepage_vma_check(vma, vma->vm_flags & ~vm_flags_ignore))
> > > > > > return SCAN_VMA_CHECK;
> > > > > > /* Anon VMA expected */
> > > > > > if (!vma->anon_vma || vma->vm_ops)
> > > > > > @@ -1000,9 +1004,11 @@ static int hugepage_vma_revalidate_pmd_count(struct mm_struct *mm,
> > > > > > */
> > > > > >
> > > > > > static int hugepage_vma_revalidate(struct mm_struct *mm, unsigned long address,
> > > > > > + unsigned long vm_flags_ignore,
> > > > > > struct vm_area_struct **vmap)
> > > > > > {
> > > > > > - return hugepage_vma_revalidate_pmd_count(mm, address, 1, vmap);
> > > > > > + return hugepage_vma_revalidate_pmd_count(mm, address, 1,
> > > > > > + vm_flags_ignore, vmap);
> > > > > > }
> > > > > >
> > > > > > /*
> > > > > > @@ -1043,7 +1049,7 @@ static bool __collapse_huge_page_swapin(struct mm_struct *mm,
> > > > > > /* do_swap_page returns VM_FAULT_RETRY with released mmap_lock */
> > > > > > if (ret & VM_FAULT_RETRY) {
> > > > > > mmap_read_lock(mm);
> > > > > > - if (hugepage_vma_revalidate(mm, haddr, &vma)) {
> > > > > > + if (hugepage_vma_revalidate(mm, haddr, VM_NONE, &vma)) {
> > > > > > /* vma is no longer available, don't continue to swapin */
> > > > > > trace_mm_collapse_huge_page_swapin(mm, swapped_in, referenced, 0);
> > > > > > return false;
> > > > > > @@ -1200,7 +1206,7 @@ static void collapse_huge_page(struct mm_struct *mm,
> > > > > > count_memcg_page_event(new_page, THP_COLLAPSE_ALLOC);
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mmap_read_lock(mm);
> > > > > > - result = hugepage_vma_revalidate(mm, address, &vma);
> > > > > > + result = hugepage_vma_revalidate(mm, address, VM_NONE, &vma);
> > > > > > if (result) {
> > > > > > mmap_read_unlock(mm);
> > > > > > goto out_nolock;
> > > > > > @@ -1232,7 +1238,7 @@ static void collapse_huge_page(struct mm_struct *mm,
> > > > > > */
> > > > > > mmap_write_lock(mm);
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - result = hugepage_vma_revalidate(mm, address, &vma);
> > > > > > + result = hugepage_vma_revalidate(mm, address, VM_NONE, &vma);
> > > > > > if (result)
> > > > > > goto out_up_write;
> > > > > > /* check if the pmd is still valid */
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > 2.35.1.616.g0bdcbb4464-goog
> > > > > >
