On 03.03.22 09:06, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 03.03.22 02:47, John Hubbard wrote:
>> On 3/2/22 12:38, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> ...
>>> BUT, once we actually write to the private mapping via the page table,
>>> the GUP pin would go out of sync with the now-anonymous page mapped into
>>> the page table. However, I'm having a hard time answering what's
>>> actually expected?
>>>
>>> It's really hard to tell what the user wants with MAP_PRIVATE file
>>> mappings and stumbles over a !anon page (no modifications so far):
>>>
>>> (a) I want a R/O pin to observe file modifications.
>>> (b) I want the R/O pin to *not* observe file modifications but observe
>>> my (eventual? if any) private modifications,
>>>
>>
>> On this aspect, I think it is easier than trying to discern user
>> intentions. Because it is less a question of what the user wants, and
>> more a question of how mmap(2) is specified. And the man page clearly
>> indicates that the user has no right to expect to see file
>> modifications. Here's the excerpt:
>>
>> "MAP_PRIVATE
>>
>> Create a private copy-on-write mapping. Updates to the mapping are not
>> visible to other processes mapping the same file, and are not carried
>> through to the underlying file. It is unspecified whether changes made
>> to the file after the mmap() call are visible in the mapped region.
>> "
>>
>>> Of course, if we already wrote to that page and now have an anon page,
>>> it's easy: we are already no longer following file changes.
>>
>> Yes, and in fact, I've always thought that the way this was written
>> means that it should be treated as a snapshot of the file contents,
>> and no longer reliably connected in either direction to the page(s).
>
> Thanks John, that's extremely helpful. I forgot about these MAP_PRIVATE
> mmap() details -- they help a lot to clarify which semantics to provide.
>
> So what we could do is:
>
> a) Extend FAULT_FLAG_UNSHARE to also unshare an !anon page in
> a MAP_RPIVATE mapping, replacing it with an (exclusive) anon page.
> R/O PTE permissions are maintained, just like unsharing in the
> context of this series.
>
> b) Similarly trigger FAULT_FLAG_UNSHARE from GUP when trying to take a
> R/O pin (FOLL_PIN) on a R/O-mapped !anon page in a MAP_PRIVATE
> mapping.
>
> c) Make R/O pins consistently use "FOLL_PIN" instead, getting rid of
> FOLL_FORCE|FOLL_WRITE.
>
>
> Of course, we can't detect MAP_PRIVATE vs. MAP_SHARED in GUP-fast (no
> VMA), so we'd always have to fallback in GUP-fast in case we intend to
> FOLL_PIN a R/O-mapped !anon page. That would imply that essentially any
> R/O pins (FOLL_PIN) would have to fallback to ordinary GUP. BUT, I mean
> we require FOLL_FORCE|FOLL_WRITE right now, which is not any different,
> so ...
>
> One optimization would be to trigger b) only for FOLL_LONGTERM. For
> !FOLL_LONGTERM there are "in theory" absolutely no guarantees which data
> will be observed if we modify concurrently to e.g., O_DIRECT IMHO. But
> that would require some more thought.
>
> Of course, that's all material for another journey, although it should
> be mostly straight forward.
>
Just a slight clarification after stumbling over shared zeropage code in
follow_page_pte(): we do seem to support pinning the shared zeropage at
least on the GUP-slow path. While I haven't played with it, I assume
we'd have to implement+trigger unsharing in case we'd want to take a R/O
pin on the shared zeropage.
Of course, similar to file-backed MAP_PRIVATE handling, this is out of
the scope of this series ("This change implies that whenever user space
wrote to a private mapping (IOW, we have an anonymous page mapped), that
GUP pins will
always remain consistent: reliable R/O GUP pins of anonymous pages.").
--
Thanks,
David / dhildenb
