Hello,
On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 05:29:22PM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> Hi Vladimir and Dennis,
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 12:53 PM Vladimir Murzin <vladimir.murzin@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On 11/30/21 5:41 PM, Dennis Zhou wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 05:29:54PM +0000, Vladimir Murzin wrote:
> > >> Currently, NOMMU pull km allocator via !SMP dependency because most of
> > >> them are UP, yet for SMP+NOMMU vm allocator gets pulled which:
> > >>
> > >> * may lead to broken build [1]
> > >> * ...or not working runtime due to [2]
> > >>
> > >> It looks like SMP+NOMMU case was overlooked in bbddff054587 ("percpu:
> > >> use percpu allocator on UP too") so restore that.
> > >>
> > >> [1]
> > >> For ARM SMP+NOMMU (R-class cores)
> > >>
> > >> arm-none-linux-gnueabihf-ld: mm/percpu.o: in function `pcpu_post_unmap_tlb_flush':
> > >> mm/percpu-vm.c:188: undefined reference to `flush_tlb_kernel_range'
> > >>
> > >> [2]
> > >> static inline
> > >> int vmap_pages_range_noflush(unsigned long addr, unsigned long end,
> > >> pgprot_t prot, struct page **pages, unsigned int page_shift)
> > >> {
> > >> return -EINVAL;
> > >> }
> > >>
> > >> Signed-off-by: Vladimir Murzin <vladimir.murzin@xxxxxxx>
> > >> ---
> > >> mm/Kconfig | 3 +--
> > >> 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > >>
> > >> diff --git a/mm/Kconfig b/mm/Kconfig
> > >> index d16ba92..66331e0 100644
> > >> --- a/mm/Kconfig
> > >> +++ b/mm/Kconfig
> > >> @@ -425,9 +425,8 @@ config THP_SWAP
> > >> # UP and nommu archs use km based percpu allocator
> > >> #
> > >> config NEED_PER_CPU_KM
> > >> - depends on !SMP
> > >> bool
> > >> - default y
> > >> + default !SMP || !MMU
> > >>
> > >
> > > Should this be `depends on !SMP || !MMU` with default yes? Because with
> > > SMP && MMU, it shouldn't be an option to run with percpu-km.
> >
> > IIUC these are equivalent, truth table would not change if is under "depends"
> > or "default"
> >
> > SMP MMU NEED_PER_CPU_KM
> > y y !y || !y => n || n => n
> > y n !y || !n => n || y => y
> > n y !n || !y => y || n => y
> > n n !n || !n => y || y => y
> >
> > >
> > >> config CLEANCACHE
> > >> bool "Enable cleancache driver to cache clean pages if tmem is present"
> > >> --
> > >> 2.7.4
> > >>
> > >
> > > It's interesting to me that this is all coming up at once. Earlier this
> > > month I had the same conversation with people involved with sh [1].
> > >
> > > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-sh/YY7tp5attRyK42Zk@fedora/
> > >
> > > I can pull this shortly once I see whatever happened to linux-sh.
> >
> > Ahh, good to know! Adding SH folks here (start of discussion [0]). I see you came
> > to the same conclusion, right?
> >
> > IIRC, RISC-V also have SMP+NOMMU, so adding them as well.
>
> I had seen the j-Core thread, but completely forgot about
> Canaan K210 (RV64 SMP+NOMMU).
>
> This became commit 3583521aabac76e5 ("percpu: km: ensure it is used
> with NOMMU (either UP or SMP)"). And now booting K210 prints:
>
> percpu: wasting 10 pages per chunk
>
> a) Is this bad?
It's not great.. Can you share the line on boot with the following
prefix: pcpu-alloc [1].
I'm a little surprised here because this means it's allocating not
against the right atomic size. I don't necesarily think it's an issue of
switching from percpu-vm to percpu-km.
> b) What exactly was this fixing, and how would I trigger the bad case
> on K210 before, if it was affected at all?
>
In v5.14, I merged Roman's request for percpu depopulation [2]. This
required calls to flush the tlb. There is an abstraction layer:
percpu-vm vs percpu-km. So if an architecture is using percpu-vm but
doesn't have an MMU AND doesn't map out appropriately the tlb flush
call, then it fails. This happened on arm + sh architectures. Now RV
might be mapping it out appropriately so they never saw the issue.
Now, there is also a bigger caveat with using percpu-vm without an MMU.
In percpu-vm, we allocate pages on demand and map them in into
pre-allocated vmas. This means there are 2 scenarios that I haven't
looked into deeper. 1, the vma alloc maps to allocating physical pages.
2, we're lucky percpu allocates backwards in the vma so we haven't had a
collision problem yet.
[1] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/dennis/percpu.git/tree/mm/percpu.c#n2507
[2] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20210419225047.3415425-1-dennis@xxxxxxxxxx/
Thanks,
Dennis
> >
> > [0] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20211130172954.129587-1-vladimir.murzin@xxxxxxx/T/
>
> Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
>
> Geert
>
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>
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