On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 04:39:15PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote: > > If qmeu can put all the guest memory in a memfd and not map it, then > > I'd also like to see that the IOMMU can use this interface too so we > > can have VFIO working in this configuration. > > In QEMU we usually want to (and must) be able to access guest memory > from user space, with the current design we wouldn't even be able to > temporarily mmap it -- which makes sense for encrypted memory only. The > corner case really is encrypted memory. So I don't think we'll see a > broad use of this feature outside of encrypted VMs in QEMU. I might be > wrong, most probably I am :) Interesting.. The non-encrypted case I had in mind is the horrible flow in VFIO to support qemu re-execing itself (VFIO_DMA_UNMAP_FLAG_VADDR). Here VFIO is connected to a VA in a mm_struct that will become invalid during the kexec period, but VFIO needs to continue to access it. For IOMMU cases this is OK because the memory is already pinned, but for the 'emulated iommu' used by mdevs pages are pinned dynamically. qemu needs to ensure that VFIO can continue to access the pages across the kexec, even though there is nothing to pin_user_pages() on. This flow would work a lot better if VFIO was connected to the memfd that is storing the guest memory. Then it naturally doesn't get disrupted by exec() and we don't need the mess in the kernel.. I was wondering if we could get here using the direct_io APIs but this would do the job too. > Apart from the special "encrypted memory" semantics, I assume nothing > speaks against allowing for mmaping these memfds, for example, for any > other VFIO use cases. We will eventually have VFIO with "encrypted memory". There was a talk in LPC about the enabling work for this. So, if the plan is to put fully encrpyted memory inside a memfd, then we still will eventually need a way to pull the pfns it into the IOMMU, presumably along with the access control parameters needed to pass to the secure monitor to join a PCI device to the secure memory. Jason
