On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 4:37 PM Linus Torvalds <torvalds@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Stop thinking that refcount_t is a good type. Start realizing the > downsides. Start understanding that saturation is a HORRENDOUSLY BAD > solution, and horrible QoI. Basically, refcount_t should be used purely for internal kernel data structures - it makes perfect sense for things like the 'struct device' resource handling, for example. In fact, there it is good for two reasons: - it's not counting some user resource, so users shouldn't have any way to trigger overflow and saturation which causes problems - it's used by random driver stuff, which is often where kernel bugs happen and testing is fundamentally limited by hw availability etc but in general, anything that is user-accountable needs to have _limits_, not saturation. It's why the page count is a "atomic_t" even if the name of the field is "_refcount". Because refcount_t is the INFERIOR TYPE. Using an atomic_t properly is actually the much better option. It's just that "properly" might be a bit more code, involving actual limit checking. 'refcount_t' is basically a shorthand for "I didn't bother doing this right, so I'm using this type that adds debugging, warns and stops working and might DoS the kernel". It's a crutch. It's not the alpha and the omega of counting types. It has its place, but I really want to stress how people should ABSOLUTELY not think "oh, refcount_t is better than atomic_t". Linus