Hello, I'm sorry for the late reply. I must have missed this mail... On Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:44 PM James Bottomley wrote: > [cc to ks-discuss added, since this may be a relevant topic] > > On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 14:27 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > On Tuesday 05 July 2011, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 09:41:48AM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote: > > > > The Contiguous Memory Allocator is a set of helper functions for DMA > > > > mapping framework that improves allocations of contiguous memory chunks. > > > > > > > > CMA grabs memory on system boot, marks it with CMA_MIGRATE_TYPE and > > > > gives back to the system. Kernel is allowed to allocate movable pages > > > > within CMA's managed memory so that it can be used for example for page > > > > cache when DMA mapping do not use it. On dma_alloc_from_contiguous() > > > > request such pages are migrated out of CMA area to free required > > > > contiguous block and fulfill the request. This allows to allocate large > > > > contiguous chunks of memory at any time assuming that there is enough > > > > free memory available in the system. > > > > > > > > This code is heavily based on earlier works by Michal Nazarewicz. > > > > > > And how are you addressing the technical concerns about aliasing of > > > cache attributes which I keep bringing up with this and you keep > > > ignoring and telling me that I'm standing in your way. > > Just to chime in here, parisc has an identical issue. If the CPU ever > sees an alias with different attributes for the same page, it will HPMC > the box (that's basically the bios will kill the system as being > architecturally inconsistent), so an architecture neutral solution on > this point is essential to us as well. > > > This is of course an important issue, and it's the one item listed as > > TODO in the introductory mail that sent. > > > > It's also a preexisting problem as far as I can tell, and it needs > > to be solved in __dma_alloc for both cases, dma_alloc_from_contiguous > > and __alloc_system_pages as introduced in patch 7. > > > > We've discussed this back and forth, and it always comes down to > > one of two ugly solutions: > > > > 1. Put all of the MIGRATE_CMA and pages into highmem and change > > __alloc_system_pages so it also allocates only from highmem pages. > > The consequences of this are that we always need to build kernels > > with highmem enabled and that we have less lowmem on systems that > > are already small, both of which can be fairly expensive unless > > you have lots of highmem already. > > So this would require that systems using the API have a highmem? (parisc > doesn't today). Yes, such solution will require highmem. It will introduce the highmem issues to systems that typically don't use highmem, that's why I searched for other solutions. > > 2. Add logic to unmap pages from the linear mapping, which is > > very expensive because it forces the use of small pages in the > > linear mapping (or in parts of it), and possibly means walking > > all page tables to remove the PTEs on alloc and put them back > > in on free. > > > > I believe that Chunsang Jeong from Linaro is planning to > > implement both variants and post them for review, so we can > > decide which one to merge, or even to merge both and make > > it a configuration option. See also > > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/linaro-mm-sig/+spec/engr-mm-dma-mapping-2011.07 > > > > I don't think we need to make merging the CMA patches depending on > > the other patches, it's clear that both need to be solved, and > > they are independent enough. > > I assume from the above that ARM has a hardware page walker? Right. > The way I'd fix this on parisc, because we have a software based TLB, is > to rely on the fact that a page may only be used either for DMA or for > Page Cache, so the aliases should never be interleaved. Since you know > the point at which the page flips from DMA to Cache (and vice versa), > I'd purge the TLB entry and flush the page at that point and rely on the > usage guarantees to ensure that the alias TLB entry doesn't reappear. > This isn't inexpensive but the majority of the cost is the cache flush > which is a requirement to clean the aliases anyway (a TLB entry purge is > pretty cheap). > > Would this work for the ARM hardware walker as well? It would require > you to have a TLB entry purge instruction as well as some architectural > guarantees about not speculating the TLB. The main problem with ARM linear mapping is the fact that it is created using 2MiB sections, so entries for kernel linear mapping fits entirely in first lever of process page table. This implies that direct changing this linear mapping is not easy task and must be performed for all tasks in the system. In my CMA v12+ patches I decided to use simpler way of solving this issue. I rely on the fact that DMA memory is allocated only from CMA regions, so during early boot I change the kernel linear mappings for these regions. Instead of 2MiB sections, I use regular 4KiB pages which create 2 level of page tables. Second level of page table for these regions can be easily shared for all processes in the system. This way I can easily update cache attributes for any single 4KiB page that is used for DMA and avoid any aliasing at all. The only drawback of this method is larger TLB pressure what might result in some slowdown during heavy IO if pages with 4KiB linear mapping are used. However with my hardware has only slow io (with eMMC I get only about 30MiB/s) so I cannot notice any impact of the mapping method on the io speed. Best regards -- Marek Szyprowski Samsung Poland R&D Center -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@xxxxxxxxx. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Fight unfair telecom internet charges in Canada: sign http://stopthemeter.ca/ Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@xxxxxxxxx";> email@xxxxxxxxx </a>