On Wed, Nov 04, 2020 at 12:39:13PM +0100, Hagen Paul Pfeifer wrote:
> > On 11/03/2020 5:30 PM Mike Rapoport <rppt@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > > As long as the task share the file descriptor, they can share the
> > > > secretmem pages, pretty much like normal memfd.
> > >
> > > Including process_vm_readv() and process_vm_writev()? Let's take a hypothetical
> > > "dbus-daemon-secure" service that receives data from process A and wants to
> > > copy/distribute it to data areas of N other processes. Much like dbus but without
> > > SOCK_DGRAM rather direct copy into secretmem/mmap pages (ring-buffer). Should be
> > > possible, right?
> >
> > I'm not sure I follow you here.
> > For process_vm_readv() and process_vm_writev() secremem will be only
> > accessible on the local part, but not on the remote.
> > So copying data to secretmem pages using process_vm_writev wouldn't
> > work.
>
> A hypothetical "dbus-daemon-secure" service will not be *process related* with communication
> peers. E.g. a password-input process (reading a password into secured-memory page) will
> transfer the password to dbus-daemon-secure and this service will hand-over the password to
> two additional applications: a IPsec process on CPU0 und CPU1 (which itself use a
> secured-memory page).
>
> So four applications IPC chain:
> password-input -> dbus-daemon-secure -> {IPsec0, IPsec1}
>
> - password-input: uses a secured page to read/save the password locally after reading from TTY
> - dbus-daemon-secure: uses a secured page for IPC (legitimate user can write and read into the secured page)
> - IPSecN has secured page to save the password locally (and probably other data as well), IPC memory is memset'ed after copy
>
> Goal: the whole password is never saved/touched on non secured pages during IPC transfer.
>
> Question: maybe a *file-descriptor passing* mechanism can do the trick? I.e. dbus-daemon-secure
> allocates via memfd_secret/mmap secure pages and permitted processes will get the descriptor/mmaped-page
> passed so they can use the pages directly?
Yes, this will work. The processes that share the memfd_secret file
descriptor will have access to the same memory pages, pretty much like
with shared memory.
> Hagen
--
Sincerely yours,
Mike.
