On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:58 AM, Andrew Lutomirski <luto@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:36:11PM -0400, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 05:09:59PM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote: >>>> >> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:37:22AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote: >>>> >> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 03:44:53PM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote: >>>> >> > > (Built this time and passed a basic sniff-test.) >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > During allocator-intensive workloads, kswapd will be woken frequently >>>> >> > > causing free memory to oscillate between the high and min watermark. >>>> >> > > This is expected behaviour. Unfortunately, if the highest zone is >>>> >> > > small, a problem occurs. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > This seems to happen most with recent sandybridge laptops but it's >>>> >> > > probably a co-incidence as some of these laptops just happen to have >>>> >> > > a small Normal zone. The reproduction case is almost always during >>>> >> > > copying large files that kswapd pegs at 100% CPU until the file is >>>> >> > > deleted or cache is dropped. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > The problem is mostly down to sleeping_prematurely() keeping kswapd >>>> >> > > awake when the highest zone is small and unreclaimable and compounded >>>> >> > > by the fact we shrink slabs even when not shrinking zones causing a lot >>>> >> > > of time to be spent in shrinkers and a lot of memory to be reclaimed. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > Patch 1 corrects sleeping_prematurely to check the zones matching >>>> >> > > the classzone_idx instead of all zones. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > Patch 2 avoids shrinking slab when we are not shrinking a zone. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > Patch 3 notes that sleeping_prematurely is checking lower zones against >>>> >> > > a high classzone which is not what allocators or balance_pgdat() >>>> >> > > is doing leading to an artifical believe that kswapd should be >>>> >> > > still awake. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > Patch 4 notes that when balance_pgdat() gives up on a high zone that the >>>> >> > > decision is not communicated to sleeping_prematurely() >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > This problem affects 2.6.38.8 for certain and is expected to affect >>>> >> > > 2.6.39 and 3.0-rc4 as well. If accepted, they need to go to -stable >>>> >> > > to be picked up by distros and this series is against 3.0-rc4. I've >>>> >> > > cc'd people that reported similar problems recently to see if they >>>> >> > > still suffer from the problem and if this fixes it. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Good! >>>> >> > This patch solved the problem. >>>> >> > But there is still a mystery. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > In log, we could see excessive shrink_slab calls. >>>> >> >>>> >> Yes, because shrink_slab() was called on each loop through >>>> >> balance_pgdat() even if the zone was balanced. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> > And as you know, we had merged patch which adds cond_resched where last of the function >>>> >> > in shrink_slab. So other task should get the CPU and we should not see >>>> >> > 100% CPU of kswapd, I think. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> cond_resched() is not a substitute for going to sleep. >>>> > >>>> > Of course, it's not equal with sleep but other task should get CPU and conusme their time slice >>>> > So we should never see 100% CPU consumption of kswapd. >>>> > No? >>>> >>>> If the rest of the system is idle, then kswapd will happily use 100% >>>> CPU. (Or on a multi-core system, kswapd will use close to 100% of one >>> >>> Of course. But at least, we have a test program and I think it's not idle. >> >> The test program I used was 'top', which is pretty close to idle. >> >>> >>>> CPU even if another task is using the other one. This is bad enough >>>> on a desktop, but on a laptop you start to notice when your battery >>>> dies.) >>> >>> Of course it's bad. :) >>> What I want to know is just what's exact cause of 100% CPU usage. >>> It might be not 100% but we might use the word sloppily. >>> >> >> Well, if you want to pedantic, my laptop can, in theory, demonstrate >> true 100% CPU usage. Trigger the bug, suspend every other thread, and >> listen to the laptop fan spin and feel the laptop get hot. (The fan >> is controlled by the EC and takes no CPU.) >> >> In practice, the usage was close enough to 100% that it got rounded. >> >> The cond_resched was enough to at least make the system responsive >> instead of the hard freeze I used to get. > > I don't want to be pedantic. :) > What I have a thought about 100% CPU usage was that it doesn't yield > CPU and spins on the CPU but as I heard your example(ie, cond_resched > makes the system responsive), it's not the case. It was just to use > most of time in kswapd, not 100%. It seems I was paranoid about the > word, sorry for that. Ah, sorry. I must have been unclear in my original email. In 2.6.39, it made my system unresponsive. With your cond_resched and pgdat_balanced fixes, it just made kswapd eat all available CPU, but the system still worked. --Andy -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@xxxxxxxxx. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Fight unfair telecom internet charges in Canada: sign http://stopthemeter.ca/ Don't email: <a href