On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:30:12 +0200 Michal Hocko <mhocko@xxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu 21-07-11 19:54:11, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:28:10 +0200 > > Michal Hocko <mhocko@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > If we fail to charge an allocation for a cgroup we usually have to fall > > > back into direct reclaim (mem_cgroup_hierarchical_reclaim). > > > The charging code, however, currently doesn't care about per-cpu charge > > > caches which might have up to (nr_cpus - 1) * CHARGE_BATCH pre charged > > > pages (the current cache is already drained, otherwise we wouldn't get > > > to mem_cgroup_do_charge). > > > That can be quite a lot on boxes with big amounts of CPUs so we can end > > > up reclaiming even though there are charges that could be used. This > > > will typically happen in a multi-threaded applications pined to many CPUs > > > which allocates memory heavily. > > > > > > > Do you have example and score, numbers on your test ? > > As I said, I haven't seen anything that would affect visibly performance > but I have seen situations where we reclaimed even though there were > pre-charges on other CPUs. > > > > Currently we are draining caches during reclaim > > > (mem_cgroup_hierarchical_reclaim) but this can be already late as we > > > could have already reclaimed from other groups in the hierarchy. > > > > > > The solution for this would be to synchronously drain charges early when > > > we fail to charge and retry the charge once more. > > > I think it still makes sense to keep async draining in the reclaim path > > > as it is used from other code paths as well (e.g. limit resize). It will > > > not do any work if we drained previously anyway. > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@xxxxxxx> > > > > I don't like this solution, at all. > > > > Assume 2 cpu SMP, (a special case), and 2 applications running under > > a memcg. > > > > - one is running in SCHED_FIFO. > > - another is running into mem_cgroup_do_charge() and call drain_all_stock_sync(). > > > > Then, the application stops until SCHED_FIFO application release the cpu. > > It would have to back off during reclaim anyaway (because we check > cond_resched during reclaim), right? > just have cond_resched() on a cpu which calls some reclaim stuff. It will no help. > > In general, I don't think waiting for schedule_work() against multiple cpus > > is not quicker than short memory reclaim. > > You are right, but if you consider small groups then the reclaim can > make the situation much worse. > If the system has many memory and the container has many cgroup, memory is not small because ...to use cpu properly, you need memroy. It's a mis-configuration. > > Adding flush_work() here means that a context switch is requred before > > calling direct reclaim. > > Is that really a problem? We would context switch during reclaim if > there is something else that wants CPU anyway. > Maybe we could drain only if we get a reasonable number of pages back? > This would require two passes over per-cpu caches to find the number - > not nice. Or we could drain only those caches that have at least some > threshold of pages. > > > That's bad. (At leaset, please check __GFP_NOWAIT.) > > Definitely a good idea. Fixed. > > > Please find another way, I think calling synchronous drain here is overkill. > > There are not important file caches in the most case and reclaim is quick. > > This is, however, really hard to know in advance. If there are used-once > unmaped file pages then it is much easier to reclaim them for sure. > Maybe I could check the statistics and decide whether to drain according > pages we have in the group. Let me think about that. > > > (And async draining runs.) > > > > How about automatically adjusting CHARGE_BATCH and make it small when the > > system is near to limit ? > > Hmm, we are already bypassing batching if we are close to the limit, > aren't we? If we get to the reclaim we fallback to nr_pages allocation > and so we do not refill the stock. > Maybe we could check how much we have reclaimed and update the batch > size accordingly. > Please wait until "background reclaim" stuff. I don't stop it and it will make this cpu-caching stuff better because we can drain before hitting limit. If you cannot wait.... One idea is to have a threshold to call async "drain". For example, threshould = limit_of_memory - nr_online_cpu() * (BATCH_SIZE + 1) if (usage > threshould) drain_all_stock_async(). Then, situation will be much better. Thanks, -Kame -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@xxxxxxxxx. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Fight unfair telecom internet charges in Canada: sign http://stopthemeter.ca/ Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@xxxxxxxxx";> email@xxxxxxxxx </a>